NCAA indoor 5000 leader Marc Scott of Tulsa (13:38) just ran a 29:33 10k road race in Europe

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  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 7:02am CST
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    Ribble Valley 10K, December 27

    Marc Scott, who earlier in the month ran a fast 13:38.87 5000m indoors in the USA, continued his winning ways back in the UK with a 29:33 victory which gave him a 26-second win over both Chris Farrell and Richard Allen.

    http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/lily-partridge-boxing-day-race-winners-weekly-round-up-54855#eMIEUD2BYSvva8EC.99
  • Tulsacompguy
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 7:21am CST
    re: LetsRun.com
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    Potential ncaa violation. Cant run attached and then unattached during the same calendar segment. Hes no competed against outside comp not representing tulsa. Oops.
  • 4:04 FNF
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 7:29am CST
    re: Tulsacompguy
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    Tulsacompguy wrote:

    Potential ncaa violation. Cant run attached and then unattached during the same calendar segment. Hes no competed against outside comp not representing tulsa. Oops.

    Can you try that again- but in English?
  • rojo
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    3 years ago 12/28/2016 7:57am CST
    re: 4:04 FNF
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    The poster is saying that Scott participating in a road race unattached after first competing for Tulsa is a potential NCAA violation. He or she is saying you can't first compete for a school and then compete unattached in the same season.

    I don't think Scott has anything to worry about. It's not like he's going to try to redshirt this year.
  • Benjamins Button
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 8:19am CST
    re: Tulsacompguy
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    So everyone that does Turkey Trot's are in violation?
  • Jive Turqy
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 10:52am CST
    re: Benjamins Button
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    Brian Bosworth was right.
  • dragnet25
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 1:07pm CST
    re: Benjamins Button
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    Turkey trots are fine as long as they aren't in the middle of xc season. So are any other road races unless you've already triggered a season of competition before the race.

    Basically as soon as you put that school jersey on and compete for the the school you have to finish that season (XC, Indoor, or Outdoor) before you can compete unattached again.
  • different sport....
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 1:23pm CST
    re: dragnet25
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    Road racing should be considered a different sport. Trail running also. Mountain Biking too. Poker is on the sports channels all the time. Would he be in violation if he got in a poker game over the holidays?
  • jjjjjjj
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 8:11pm CST
    re: dragnet25
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    give me a break. if true, this is just a further indictment of the NCAA. and they're not employees, yet they essentially have a non-compete provision???
  • jjjjjjj
    3 years ago 12/28/2016 8:12pm CST
    re: dragnet25
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    another way of putting that is a no-outside employment provision--part of my university contract as a bona fide employee.
  • Xanax
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 9:42am CST
    re: rojo
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    rojo wrote:

    The poster is saying that Scott participating in a road race unattached after first competing for Tulsa is a potential NCAA violation. He or she is saying you can't first compete for a school and then compete unattached in the same season.

    I don't think Scott has anything to worry about. It's not like he's going to try to redshirt this year.

    I think he will be fine, from everything I can find online (someone let me know if they have a more current or accurate source).

    "It is permissible for a student-athlete to participate in outside competition as an individual during the academic year in the student-athlete’s sport, as long as the student-athlete represents only himself or herself in the competition and does not engage in such competition as a member of or receive expenses from an outside team."

    http://www.northernsun.org/custompages/ConferenceDocs/Compliance_Forms/Unattached_Student.pdf
  • greengrocer's apostrophe
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 9:45am CST
    re: Benjamins Button
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    Benjamins Button wrote:

    So everyone that does Turkey Trot's are in violation?

    Trots.
  • sbeefyk1
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    3 years ago 12/29/2016 10:32am CST
    re: LetsRun.com
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    He is ok. The rule applies to the vice versa.

    In other words, if he ran unattached in a college race and then wore his jersey at the road race he would ruin his redshirt season. Even with that he could still sign up as unattached for the road race and then things get complicated. It falls back on the school to allow this or not. Some schools are protective and want their athletes to only represent the school. Others are less protective.

    Long story short, there is nothing wrong with running a road race mid season. The only con is how will this affect his indoor training?
  • Prize $ ?
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 11:01am CST
    re: LetsRun.com
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    Did he accept any prize money?

    That may affect his eligibility.
  • Alias Higgenbothom...
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 1:47pm CST
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    His mistake was using his real name when he signed up.
  • Just an outsider
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 3:40pm CST
    re: jjjjjjj
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    It seems absurd that the NCAA holds such absolute power over the lives of individuals. They should be able to do whatever they choose in their free time, whether it's for money or not.
  • NCAA rules
    3 years ago 12/29/2016 4:38pm CST
    re: Just an outsider
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    .... riiiight;
    Like bet on college sports, take recreational drugs, etc.

    They should able to do whatever they want to do in their spare time. Poor student-athletes.
  • 800ftw.
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    3 years ago 12/29/2016 4:48pm CST
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    Prize $ ? wrote:

    Did he accept any prize money?

    That may affect his eligibility.

    Highly doubt it was for money in the UK.