Jordan Hasay debut predictions -- Boston 2017

yes yes really wrote:

When one of the top 3 finishers wasn't even a professional runner than yes her title didn't come against many of the top pros in the sport.

Hasay would have finished 2nd last year to Huddle, beating out Spence, Pappas, Thweatt, Nelson..... She is capable of running with the pros.

No no really wrote:

It's more demeaning that people on these boards act like she is one of the best American distance runners when so many women have done so much more and don't get 10% of the publicity. So Mary Cain has done better than her at Worlds. No way she has come close to the expectations people had for her as a prep star which I agree is the reputation she continues to live off of.

Well she is one of the best American distance runners. Her praise is not to the detriment of any other women. However, everyone knows that there is more to publicity than ability to run the fastest. There's marketability in the form of personality, physical appearance, relatability to the market who purchase products from Nike etc etc. While her prep career made her a household name, the "reputation" she lives off is actually the result of her marketability and performance.

Exactly she's capable of running with pros that aren't the top American marathoners and run over 2:30. She has not had any pro performances even if they were good for marketing that were impressive. Interesting though the parallels between Rupp/Salazar and the criticism he gets with good results and Hasay/Salazar and the exaggerated praise she gets with no results even in the ballpark of Rupp. I mean they're already saying if Rupp wins Boston it's against a watered down field and all anyone can recall for Hasay lately is a 10 mile win when all the top distance runners weren't running as they had competed in Rio.

Reality check...... wrote:

Not in awhile wrote:

Sara Hall and Stephanie Bruce is considered a deep field? Maybe 5-10 years ago

Sara Hall just ran a 2:30 marathon. Jordan Hasay beat Hall by 44 seconds.

So Sara Hall's time was 15 minutes off the WR and that is considered great? That is like a man running 2:18. Would everyone be all giddy and yippeeing over that?

No - he'd be getting dropped from Nike

Coach Bb wrote:

So Sara Hall's time was 15 minutes off the WR and that is considered great? That is like a man running 2:18. Would everyone be all giddy and yippeeing over that?

Nobody said it was "great". I posted FACTS that show Hasay should be able to run 228 to 232 in a marathon based on her other times. I then used Sara Hall as an example of someone who Hasay beat in a 10 miile race that ran a 230 marathon in april.

Could you point out where I said it was great or she was going to win or she was going to set a world record?

Don't be an idiot. There are a lot of other threads you can go troll here. I am just presenting the facts. Nobody knows if she will have a good race or not. I think she will because of the success she has had at every other distance she has tried but there is a chance she has a bad day or blows up at the end just like most other runners who attempt a marathon.

On the other hand 229 WON the womens marathon last year with 230:50 for 3rd place. The 3 years before that, 230 was between 9th and 13th place.

Well who was claiming it was such a deep and competitive field because Sara Hall ran it then. All these 'facts' tend to suggest an average pro debut for Hasay. But if you're so into facts why don't you just list the American women who have debuted sub 2:30 or American women who have debuted at Boston and their times.

We like to watch her run.

The point wrote:

Exactly she's capable of running with pros that aren't the top American marathoners and run over 2:30. She has not had any pro performances even if they were good for marketing that were impressive. .

Does 1:08:40 in brutally hot horrifically humid conditions impress you?

Glad she has finally found her niche. Apparently she is a strength runner, as we've already known.

Btw, did she just ran the fastest American women's half marathon debut?

Hasay is back baby...... wrote:

The point wrote:

Exactly she's capable of running with pros that aren't the top American marathoners and run over 2:30. She has not had any pro performances even if they were good for marketing that were impressive. .

Does 1:08:40 in brutally hot horrifically humid conditions impress you?

It was not brutally hot. The conditions were tough but not impossible. Hasay ran an excellent race, but the marathon is a different beast. I was at the LA trials where tons of guys dropped out.

If I were to guess, I'd say 2:33+.

Seeing how she handled her first 1/2 Mar and the hot weather I'll modify my thoughts a bit

She'd be wise to pick a safe target that I'll put at 2:37 and a sub 2:32 would be a wonderful first marathon.

NOW I would not be surprised if she ran 2:30/31 before todays run I would have been.

My feed kept dropping and just judging from what I saw on the position crawl on screen she ran mostly alone. Does someone have a better impression of who was around her and how close?

Jordan finished a few seconds behind Mary Wacera, who set the course record of 66:29 last year.

If Boston has decent conditions, Anything over 2:30 would be underperforming. I'll give her 2:28-mid.

Given OK weather - I think she is sub 2:30 at Boston. Great run today.

Her 10k PR is approx double her 5k PR and her half marathon debut was approx at the same pace as her 10k PR. Given that fact, I bet she can run 2:16-2:19.

FWIW the next runner behind her is a 2:21 marathoner with a 66:08 1/2 best.

I would be cautious with the prediction, though. Marathon is very different from half, much more so than half from 10k - fueling plays a key role here.

Hasay is back baby...... wrote:

The point wrote:

Exactly she's capable of running with pros that aren't the top American marathoners and run over 2:30. She has not had any pro performances even if they were good for marketing that were impressive. .

Does 1:08:40 in brutally hot horrifically humid conditions impress you?

Round to 1:09 times 2 + 8 min = 2:26.