curious-mobody wrote:
Is it a sign of success or failure, that letsrun has attracted the Russian trolls?
I was going to query the same, but I don't think they are real (paid) Russian trolls. Just Trump-supporting wannabes with nothing better to do.
curious-mobody wrote:
Is it a sign of success or failure, that letsrun has attracted the Russian trolls?
I was going to query the same, but I don't think they are real (paid) Russian trolls. Just Trump-supporting wannabes with nothing better to do.
Jamaica needs some trolls too wrote:
curious-mobody wrote:Is it a sign of success or failure, that letsrun has attracted the Russian trolls?
I was going to query the same, but I don't think they are real (paid) Russian trolls. Just Trump-supporting wannabes with nothing better to do.
I think it's a more of a notable that LRC is joining the "Fake News" promulgaters, when it fits anti-Russia agenda.
Jamaica needs some trolls too wrote:
curious-mobody wrote:Is it a sign of success or failure, that letsrun has attracted the Russian trolls?
I was going to query the same, but I don't think they are real (paid) Russian trolls. Just Trump-supporting wannabes with nothing better to do.
It's just Bad Wigins and ruskkierekrunner.
This report has made them even more depressed around the holidays.
Wigins had a tantrum.
rjm33 wrote:
Would you like to guess where all the samples from Sochi are stored for reanalysis?
The answer is:
All the samples from the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics are stored…at the Lausanne lab.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/how-it-works-look-retests-olympic-drug-samplesThat is a shocking surprise.
I never thought that the samples would be stored at the Lausanne lab.
There is NOTHING to see here.
Cleanest games EVER.
The thing that's missing is me making money being corrupt inside a sports federation.
Shawty Varacelli wrote:
Harambe wrote:Is Bad Wigins a Russian sympathizer? Lol, I'd believe it.
Yes, he's very bad.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hyNv6RmtEBU/Ui4zTUV428I/AAAAAAAABvs/_lmKmZ2F8Ks/s1600/Toughman+punch.jpg
What is the story behind this one?
Its such an interesting/eerie experience reading through a thread and knowing that there are people posting here with the specific purpose of promoting pro-Russian ideals in the US (and Western European I suppose) population. Very intriguing cultural snapshot if nothing else. If any of you are willing to talk openly about the subject, I'd be super interested in knowing if you feel that pro-Western countries do the same thing on Russian websites? Do you find that there's a similar level of hyperfocused Western defense when anti-Western articles are discussed on your country's websites? I know you're probably not allowed to get into all of this but I've never had the opportunity to talk with a.... umm.... patriotic blogger(?) before and the whole idea of swamping out negative national news is so foreign to me that I find the whole concept very interesting (lol puns).
Also, whats the pay like for you guys cause as an acceptably articulate American I'd be happy to push this stuff for some decent coin. I can't imagine anyone really buys this stuff, but if you want someone to this in coherent English I'm you guy!
As bad as this thread is, I find myself asking, "Is that all you've got, letsrun?"
"We ♥ Yelena" has been around at least since the run-up to Rio. The rest at least have new names.
Shawty Varacelli wrote:
Harambe wrote:Is Bad Wigins a Russian sympathizer? Lol, I'd believe it.
Yes, he's very bad.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hyNv6RmtEBU/Ui4zTUV428I/AAAAAAAABvs/_lmKmZ2F8Ks/s1600/Toughman+punch.jpg
WTH is going on in this? Is this guy pushing her for real or is it a jack-up?
ukathleticcoach wrote:
American track and field success has for decades been built on power events fueled by steroids.
The only difference is its on a group rather than state sponsored basis.
Big diff it's still a case of pot & kettle.
You should read a Japan Times interview from last year when Victor Conte clearly states that J.J. Kersee failed a drugs test in Seoul 1988, she kept the gold, the world record, Olympic Record and is now trying to run US athletics.
rjm33 wrote:
pop_pop!_v.2.2.1 wrote:63 blood samples collected in competition out of 232 Russian athletes and ALL were negative. Any chance at all they were analyzed in Lausanne?
254 urine tests out of 232 athletes. The explanation how anyone but a couple of minor athletes get popped will be funny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics#Participating_National_Olympic_CommitteesWould you like to guess where all the samples from Sochi are stored for reanalysis?
The answer is:
All the samples from the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics are stored…at the Lausanne lab.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/how-it-works-look-retests-olympic-drug-samplesThat is a shocking surprise.
I never thought that the samples would be stored at the Lausanne lab.
There is NOTHING to see here.
I lost my car keys, could I find them in the Lausanne lab?
I am confused about the whole "referral for retesting" part of the report.
I confess I haven't been able to dig into the evidentiary package yet, so perhaps the answer is in there.
It seems to me that for these athletes they already have enough evidence to suspend them based on a non-analytical positive. They do not have to retest the samples.
tell ya more , tell ya more
not about nationalism about the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple as that ...
the attack on russians is to hide their lies and deception .
to stop this house of cards from falling down.
just come clean and man up Seb , and then rebuild with proper foundation
And igf-1 lr3 use and cover is even bigger story ............star athletes built on it
annoying because to some beyond obvious who is the king liar and cheat
Just LOOK at the W.R ' s for gods sake .
AND many within this time frame but no main ones russians .
W.R ' S DONT LIE .
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I am confused about the whole "referral for retesting" part of the report.
I confess I haven't been able to dig into the evidentiary package yet, so perhaps the answer is in there.
It seems to me that for these athletes they already have enough evidence to suspend them based on a non-analytical positive. They do not have to retest the samples.
Getting those cases to the point where they could stand up to a CAS appeal is not easy. Much much easier if you can retest a sample and get a positive.
The Russians are claiming the emails are fake and lies. An email saying someone failed a test is probably not enough by itself for a ban, athletes normally have a right to have their B samples tested and such.
But I'm sure for many of the athletes they do have far more evidence than emails alone.
Some of the athletes in the report aren't that good. When you're dealing with possibly 1,000 athletes, at some point you may need to pick and choose a bit who you prosecute, especially if the evidence isn't super firm or it's something like marijuana.
It sounds like the info is being passed along to each international sports federation now, it will be interesting to see the variety of ways in which they handle it.
How will the individual sports federations 'handle' it?
I am still waiting to see the names for the 211 bags of blood found in the freezer of Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes from Operation Puerto in 2006.
It has been over 10 years.
Total number of names released:
0.00
(Me neither, but) as "pop-pop" tells us repeatedly, WADA isn't authorised to, nor do they want to, deal directly with individual athletes -- I'm guessing they are being referred to the Sports Federations for proper management of sanctions.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I am confused about the whole "referral for retesting" part of the report.
I confess I haven't been able to dig into the evidentiary package yet, so perhaps the answer is in there.
It seems to me that for these athletes they already have enough evidence to suspend them based on a non-analytical positive. They do not have to retest the samples.
I have not contributed to this thread (before now). I don't have any negative emotions regarding any new news of the Moscow lab.What I did in the Paula threads was to argue that your obvious conclusion is not so obvious, for many well known accepted reasons in the history of anti-doping research that you need to dismiss/downplay/ignore.Comparing the two stories, there is mountains of direct evidence and first hand testimony against the Russian state, the Russian athletes, and the Moscow lab. The second McClaren report (I haven't read it yet -- just the brief quotes in this thread) fleshes out many details we knew would come after the brief first investigation. That the scope was beyond one world event, and state wide support extended to 1000 athletes, shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.I note that we have recently seen several sources giving a start date of 2011 for the massive Russian manipulations, and also the start of the IAAF's involvement.I think one fair point from the Russians (who inarguably have many reforms to implement) is that doping and anti-doping problems are a global issue, not just a Russian one. Another related one is that doping hasn't seemed to help them place in the top 3 countries in the medal charts. For track and field sports, doping seems most effective in men's race walking, and women's strength and middle distance events.
rjm33 wrote:
Berknee wrote:Can't tell if it's just one poster with multiple names defending Mother Russia, or several people.
But, seriously, how can you defend this? Quibbling over numbers and process and yelling 'what about other countries?' doesn't change the fact that there is and was massive doping by Russians. There is zero doubt about that.
You are right. It is rekrunner. He did the same thing on the obvious autologous blood transfusion by Ms. Paula Radcliffe thread.
He does not like all this news about how THE MOSCOW LABORATORY MENTIONED IN THE NICK DAVIES EMAIL TO PAPA MASSATA DIACK CONTINUED THEIR CORRUPT PRACTICES AFTER THE 2014 SOCHI WINTER OLYMPICS!!!
Unfortunately, this new report has made rekrunner very upset…and he has had an emotional tantrum episode on this thread.
Oh boy.
(Bad Wigins is also having a tantrum.)
Oh well.
rekrunner wrote:
I think one fair point from the Russians (who inarguably have many reforms to implement) is that doping and anti-doping problems are a global issue, not just a Russian one. Another related one is that doping hasn't seemed to help them place in the top 3 countries in the medal charts. For track and field sports, doping seems most effective in men's race walking, and women's strength and middle distance events.
I agree with the Russians that the problem is global, though I doubt any other country had such an _organized_ coverup effort. Many countries simply perform little to no testing, will tip off athletes about tests, etc.
But that doesn't change the fact that Russia needs to clean up their own mess. If they want to protest loudly the whole time that's fine, but at this point they are still adamantly denying that this was anything more than a couple of bad seeds.
Likewise, it's possible for people to simultaneously be outraged about the Russians while _also_ being outraged at countries like Kenya who have also been egregiously out of compliance with WADA requirements.
The IOC has also made things worse with their lack of transparency on the retesting of 08-12 Olympic samples. CLEARLY they were focused on Soviet block countries. While I think more of those athletes would be likely to test positive based on their improved steroid test, I find it impossible to believe that not a single British/European/American athlete would test positive if they were also all retested.
And now it's too late for 2008. What has been retested has been retested. They cannot do any new tests because of the statute of limitations. There are a handful of cases yet to be announced/finalized that were already in the works, but no new ones will be conducted.
Russia needs to admit they have a problem. And if they have (legit) dirt on other countries, they should feel free to throw them under the bus as well. I am totally OK with them bringing down as many people as they legitimately can, even if it means Americans go down too.
I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, but the files in the "evidence disclosure package" actually reveal much more details in the Russian version, which makes the athletes identifiable. For instance, document EDP0280.pdf which is an email from Rodchenkov in March 3rd 2014 (just before Sopot world indoor 2014) mentions for athletics "retain all" for 9 cases:
- athlete A0583 born in 1988, test done in February 26th, mentions diuretics ("диуретик"). Other tests are done in March 5th.
- athlete A0009 (long jump and triple jump) TE ratio of 8.9
- athlete A0348 (sprint and relay) ostarine ("оÑтарин"), small amount
- athlete A0893 (sprint and relay) ostarine, small amount
- athlete A0253 (high jump) TE ratio of 3.7
- athlete A0092 (sprint, long jump and triple jump) ostarine, large amount
- athlete A0363, the "High-Profile Female Competitor in Athletics" from the report, (long jump) TE ratio of 8.5
- athlete A0759 (400 and relay) ostarine, large amount
- athlete A0047 (3000, 3000 steeplechase and XC) turinabol ("оралтуринабол") and ostarine
By looking at who was successful during indoor season and missed Sopot championships, one can easily deduce some of the mentioned athletes...
canag wrote:
By looking at who was successful during indoor season and missed Sopot championships, one can easily deduce some of the mentioned athletes...
Actually, the "retain all" request might concern the samples instead of the athletes, which could have been at the championship, maybe someone more fluent in Russian can confirm this?