Trump cancels Boeing's deal to build a new Air Force One!

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Some independent analysts do believe the program will cost $4 billion. One is cited in the WashPo.

So I'll have to say on this one Trump may not be off in the weeds again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/12/06/citing-cost-overruns-trump-says-boeings-contract-to-build-air-force-one-should-be-canceled/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_boeing-930a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0362cfa7839e

The entire cost of the program, including development costs, is expected to reach $4 billion, according an analysis by Todd Harrison, a defense analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

I think Trump is the king of the strawman tactic. He just keeps knocking them down all day long.

A Boeing spokesperson did not respond to a request seeking. But the company said in a statement that its current deal for Air Force One development is worth $170 million.

Make America Nice Again wrote:

can you read at all? wrote:

Actual facts: two planes being built for 1.65 billion (or $825 million each).

Do you enjoy looking like a fool? He just makes shlt up and you lap it up. I know thinking has never been your strong suit, but your inability to think and stupidity are part of the reasons you are repulsive to women. Narrow mindedness is not attractive.

Agreed. Here is more info from CNN

>>Trump did not say why he believes the planes will cost "more than $4 billion." Boeing says it currently has an Air Force Once contract worth $170 million...

...So far the Air Force has budgeted $2.9 billion through 2021 for two new Air Force Ones, which will replace the aging pair of blue, white and polished aluminum 747-200Bs serving the President.

The old one were purchased by Reagan and delivered to Bush.

agip wrote:

We should just call Trump Chavez or Castro. This intimidation and pushing around business is unamerican and will end badly.

Trump could cure cancer and you'd call him a fascist for stealing all those doctor's jobs.

We're just gonna keep on winning.

jamin wrote:

He is getting work done! With a single Tweet just cut government spending by 4 billion.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/12/06/trump-attacks-boeings-deal-new-air-force-one/95033188/

He has not canceled the deal...yet.

Can't Stump the Trump wrote:

agip wrote:

We should just call Trump Chavez or Castro. This intimidation and pushing around business is unamerican and will end badly.

Trump could cure cancer and you'd call him a fascist for stealing all those doctor's jobs.

We're just gonna keep on winning.

how about we just say 'gasoline is $1 per gallon and beer is $10 per six pack'

what a win! tired of winning!

jamin wrote:

Canadian DBag wrote:

Because its perfectly ok for the busiest and most heavily guarded man in the world to fly in airplanes which reach the end of their service life in 2017!

Trump will be flying on Trump Force One, the plane on which he flew into his speeches this past campaign year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrzytJt2Nk

No, he will not. It does not have the comm set up or the space for the press corps that travels with the president.

I am glad that he is calling out Boeing over this deal. They bid and then the price keeps going up, up and up. Why? Because government never says "You deliver at the price you promised".

Now the issue is that not many companies make planes. So he is in a rough spot. Is going to get Airbus to build it? How would that make America Great Again? (Although Airbus does have operations here).

luv2run wrote:

I am glad that he is calling out Boeing over this deal. They bid and then the price keeps going up, up and up. Why? Because government never says "You deliver at the price you promised".

Because the government is incapable of making changes as they go along. The price is set with many items not priced. Meaning that some of the features and tech the government wants have not been invented yet. As those prices become known the price goes up.

A plane like what Trump has is no comparison in any way to Air Force One. The only comparison there is is Air Force One will not have gold-plated toilets like Trump demanded for his plane.

agip wrote:

We should just call Trump Chavez or Castro. This intimidation and pushing around business is unamerican and will end badly. This CEO knows he has to buckle under to trump.

You can bet some factories wont' be built in America next year because of fear of gov't intervention.

Do you not think thousands of deals like this already exist at the state level?

Do you actually believe a word of this Castro talk or are you trying to compensate for 8 years of conservatives flipping out over nothing with Obama?

So that would be $4 billion dollars removed from the US economy and all of the jobs that go along with it.

luv2run wrote:

jamin wrote:

Trump will be flying on Trump Force One, the plane on which he flew into his speeches this past campaign year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrzytJt2Nk

No, he will not. It does not have the comm set up or the space for the press corps that travels with the president.

The press corps is a thing of the past. Trump is going around those left-wing beetches.

X-Runner wrote:

So that would be $4 billion dollars removed from the US economy and all of the jobs that go along with it.

$4 billion back in the taxpayer's pockets that they're free to spend how they choose.

The $4B wouldn't be distributed among taxpayers.

It would reduce the deficit by $4B.

It wouldn't add one dime to anyone's pocket.

HardLoper wrote:

agip wrote:

We should just call Trump Chavez or Castro. This intimidation and pushing around business is unamerican and will end badly. This CEO knows he has to buckle under to trump.

You can bet some factories wont' be built in America next year because of fear of gov't intervention.

Do you not think thousands of deals like this already exist at the state level?

Do you actually believe a word of this Castro talk or are you trying to compensate for 8 years of conservatives flipping out over nothing with Obama?

you are partly right - I think we all need to point out to conservatives that they were wrong to call Obama a statist. Or at least if they want to call Obama a socialist they have to call Trump a statist.

but did Obama threaten companies with 30% tarrifs for moving factories? No. Did Obama threaten companies that rely on gov't contracts to do things Obama's way? Did Obama jawbone companies when they tried to make money?

No.

Would it make you feel better if I said we shoudl call Trump "Putin"? That's probbaly closer to what Trump is doing - using the power of the fed gov't to intimidate and push around private enterprise.

while insulting the press and saying trump/putin alone can handle the country.

X-Runner wrote:

The $4B wouldn't be distributed among taxpayers.

It would reduce the deficit by $4B.

It wouldn't add one dime to anyone's pocket.

Exact same thing in the long run.

thanks krugman wrote:

X-Runner wrote:

So that would be $4 billion dollars removed from the US economy and all of the jobs that go along with it.

$4 billion back in the taxpayer's pockets that they're free to spend how they choose.

No one will ever get a dime of the $1.7B "saved".

The price is not $4B. That is a number made up by Trump.

agip wrote:

Did Obama threaten companies that rely on gov't contracts to do things Obama's way?

Why shouldn't companies relying on government contracts do things the government's way? Who do you think they work for?

jamin wrote:

sbeefyk1 wrote:

And with that single tweet he just fired 1,100 people at Boeing.

So now Trump decides who does and who doesn't get to have a job. Communism is coming fast.

Carrier is the private sector and Boeing is the military-industrial complex. All this deal means is that the taxpayer no longer gets ripped off. If that plane is worth $4 billion then Boeing will be able to find someone else who is willing to buy it. Or they will put the money into building planes that airline companies actually want to buy.

10% of Carrier's parent company's revenue comes from defense contracts. How is Carrier private sector and Boeing military?

players 500 wrote:

Agip wrote:

Actually I'm seeing the real number is 2.9 bn. Still he lies and lies

There is no evidence that he is lying. Maybe he is incorrect but that doesn't mean lying. Furthermore, maybe he has access to the real number and your number is not accurate. Anyway, he far more honest than Hillary or the other Democrats.

If you misstate incorrect information as fact and with confidence then it is functionally equivalent to lying. Why would he be the only one with access to the real number? No one anywhere can corroborate his claim.