3k times (all are in grades 7 or 8, no Marcelo included)
1) Armando Cruz 9:37.70 1 2) Davi Bodoh 10:01.70 8 3) Nicholas Veloso 10:08.00 11 4) Octavio Blandon 10:19.10 18 5) Jack Michalak 10:34.60 34 Average Time: 10:08.22 Total Time: 50:41.10 1-5 Split: 56.90 6) Benjamin Cirillo 10:35.10 35 7) Sebastian Fernandez 10:50.50 71
You must be new. Look in their history and they've had faster middle school teams and 80% of them don't turn into much in high school but the 20% are really great. They are the same program they have always been, Top 25 in country, but won't get near the podium as they have proven historically.
The Ruiz brothers didn’t do their best at NXN. They should be their #1 and #2 guys.
They lose only 2 seniors and also have another Ruiz brother who will possibly make the top 7 next year and step up
You must be new. Look in their history and they've had faster middle school teams and 80% of them don't turn into much in high school but the 20% are really great. They are the same program they have always been, Top 25 in country, but won't get near the podium as they have proven historically.
The Ruiz brothers didn’t do their best at NXN. They should be their #1 and #2 guys.
They lose only 2 seniors and also have another Ruiz brother who will possibly make the top 7 next year and step up
Having your top 2 runners perform poorly at the national championship is not a credit to the program.
The Ruiz brothers didn’t do their best at NXN. They should be their #1 and #2 guys.
They lose only 2 seniors and also have another Ruiz brother who will possibly make the top 7 next year and step up
Having your top 2 runners perform poorly at the national championship is not a credit to the program.
Based on that, next year we may see a scenario where Belen wins NXR and gets beat by McCallie TN (the other future autoqualifier) at NXN. McCallie will be very motivated after barely losing to Belen at NXR and then not receiving an at-large
large/small school classification would the the worst thing for this event
I agree for this event it should be all in one race.
It's interesting to know school population.
I coached in NY we had about 750 kids 10-12 and at Regionals we competed against schools like Corning, Toga, Liverpool, F-M ... who were 3-4 times our size.
But, I do believe that small/large divisions would defeat the purpose of a true national champion.
I thought that every team had 7 runners on the line regardless of size 🤔
-Uncico Coleman 😘
You can't be serious but here goes:
I coached at a school with about 750 kids to choose from. We had- football, soccer, cross-country, golf in the fall for boys. Girls had 6 sports in the fall.
We competed, in our league, against a school that was over 3 times our size.
One of my runners noted that, in theory, they could have 3 of our #1 runner. In that scenario, our #2 runner could be our #4,5,6 runners.
The bigger you are the more you have to choose from.
Thanks for doing the research on this. Do you know if this is the 3-year formula (10-12) or 4-year (9-12)? In NY we use 3-year for classification even though all many schools do house 9-12.
Also- many very big schools in the top 10.
I'm pretty sure that is 9-12. I know the Wayzata number is 9-12 for sure. I'm assuming most of the others are too.
NY numbers, as posted on tullyrunners in the classification link, are grades 10-12. That's how NY classifies. For some reason they don't use 9th grade.
3-4 times the size is a bit of a stretch for the schools you listed. Liverpool and Saratoga are both around 1,500 kids for grades 10-12, but Corning and FM are only around 1,100 kids. Burnt Hills is usually around 700-750 for grades 10-12 and they’ve qualified for NXN 3 times (would’ve been 4 if not for the meet not being held in 2021).
While the schools that qualify out of NY are still usually from the largest class size in the state it’s always surprising to see how much smaller they are compared to some of the schools that qualify out of other regions.
I seriously doubt that Jesuit has ever had a faster middle school xc team than last year when they averaged 10:08 with 9:37 (all-time #2, well ahead of Rheinhardt Harrison's previous state record of around 9:44) tops at state but a state record on the course earlier that season (roughly 9:30-9:32) from Marcelo Mantecon, who did not compete for the middle school at states because he was running on the varsity at regionals. In other words, they had the two fastest ever Florida middle school xc runners on the same team and so could have fielded a team with the fifth man at 10:19 and an average of around 9:55.
3-4 times the size is a bit of a stretch for the schools you listed. Liverpool and Saratoga are both around 1,500 kids for grades 10-12, but Corning and FM are only around 1,100 kids. Burnt Hills is usually around 700-750 for grades 10-12 and they’ve qualified for NXN 3 times (would’ve been 4 if not for the meet not being held in 2021).
While the schools that qualify out of NY are still usually from the largest class size in the state it’s always surprising to see how much smaller they are compared to some of the schools that qualify out of other regions.
One huge advantage the New York schools share is they work with they are able to train and race their middle schoolers right through high school. In our state HS coaches are not allowed to even talk to the middle school athletes.
Episcopal Academy (PA, private) has 1268 students, but that's K-12. It looks like their 2021 graduating class was 132, so let's ballpark their 9-12 at ~528 total. Pretty tiny, although of course there's the possibility (rather unlikely however) of private recruiting.
A great example would be Tatnall from Wilmington DE--I don't go there myself, but Keelin Hays of Tatnall went this year individually, and I believe they've sent 9 full girls teams since 2000. Coach castagno is truly a phenomenal guy and coach, and with around 60 kids per grade, his effort speaks for itself.