13 year old girl breaks WORLD 5K record at a Turkey Trot today.

Is she also racing this Saturday?

Coach wrote:

Is she also racing this Saturday?

No, dummy.

But they rarely run for that amount of time continuously. I have kids the same age and I would never judge another parent, but that seems like quite a bit for a 13 year old. At 13 most kids can decide that for themselves and quit if parents push too much, but 45-50 seems a little excessive. As a parent, I believe we need to do what is best for our kids down the road, not just what is best right now. I have a kid who would rather run longer every day, but I do not allow it. I make him vary the long runs with speed so his weekly mileage stays around 20-25 max. It works well considering he has been on the podium several times in the past year for events ranging from the 800m to 3000m. His 400m is very competitive around our area, but at nationals he is a good 6 seconds off the top guy. I tried to get him to stick with that as well, but he wanted to try the 3000m instead. So I made a deal with him and said he can do the 3000m but we will not train specifically for it. We will continue to train for the 400m as well as the 800m and 1500m until he is at least 15. Now he did extremely well in the 3000m at nationals (top five finish), but it worries me that he jumped to the 3000m as a 13 year old. We tried to wait even longer, but it got to the point where if we didn't allow him to run at least that amount, he would have quit. He was ready for it and was so excited to see his hard work pay off as I am sure Grace is. I would just exercise some caution. If your kid can't be successful at the mile at this age, adding longer distances may be a recipe for failure. When the great half and milers start to come in 6th, 7th, etc. they will move to the 5k and considering it is easier to train for distance than to gain speed, I believe they will have a leg up on kids who go to the 5k so early in their lives.

We are actually working our way back down to the 400m thanks to a timely growth spurt. So he is happy because he is back to being extremely competitive in the 400m, and we are happy that he didn't feel the urge to stay with the 3000m and Lord knows what after that.

Sorry Einstein I thought nxn was this weekend

Pee Wee Sports wrote:

Run Doctor wrote:

Impressive to say the least but lets see if she is still running at age 20.

Odds are she will be out of the sport long before then due to injuries and burnout from her parents and coach pushing her too hard too soon.

At age 13 she should not even be running in road races because it's too hard on a child's legs and feet.

Who cares how fast kids are before the age of 16? No one!!!

Report back in 7 years please

0/10.

Boys compete is manly sports well before the age of 13. Football, baseball, basketball, etc. But in your small mind little girls should be banned from all sports. They might beat your older, slower teenage girl runner.

Are some of you morons?

What's the main reason adolescents drop out of track? INJURIES!!!

The toll the training takes on young bodies is astronomical because to excel at this sport you need to run outrageous mileage at high intensity.

Go back to your video games boys

My take on the Ping parents is that they totally get it.

They don't want to excessively hold back their highly motivated, obviously gifted adolescent child, but they also don't want her over-doing it. They have stated directly that they want to support her dreams while recognizing that the future (with a girl like theirs) is really uncertain.

Tinman seems like the perfect coach to support this mindset.

She may get slower as she gets older. If this is the case, there's nothing wrong with that. It won't be burnout (based on this training), it'll be biology. No matter what, she can still celebrate her 13 year old WR when she's 25.

And really, what's the alternative? Not have her race? No parent in their right mind would not support a kid like Grace to give it a go.

Run Doctor wrote:Whine ... RANT ... Bitch

You are not a doctor. That is a certainty.

Goucher Needles wrote:

My take on the Ping parents is that they totally get it.

They don't want to excessively hold back their highly motivated, obviously gifted adolescent child, but they also don't want her over-doing it. They have stated directly that they want to support her dreams while recognizing that the future (with a girl like theirs) is really uncertain.

Tinman seems like the perfect coach to support this mindset.

She may get slower as she gets older. If this is the case, there's nothing wrong with that. It won't be burnout (based on this training), it'll be biology. No matter what, she can still celebrate her 13 year old WR when she's 25.

And really, what's the alternative? Not have her race? No parent in their right mind would not support a kid like Grace to give it a go.

No just be mindful of the distances she runs at that age. Also to not run 10ks and up like she has at such a young age. I saw some of her mile times and they were not impressive for her age group. So what if she can hold a crappy pace for longer than other kids when they just haven't focused on that yet? Eventually they will, and since they are already faster, I believe that could spell trouble for her as she ages. With that being said, it takes quite a bit of motivation to run the distances and times she is running, so I say hats off to her. I just would watch those distances if I were her parents and focus on more speed development.

Did you guys see in the results there were tons of other Ping's from salt late in the results too

Asian Mormons or something? An 8 year old male ping from SL went 18:13 to his 11 year old (sister/wife?) in 18:21, that must have been cool

I think there were 3-7 Ping's from SL in the results when I glanced at it, apparently the entire family is into running

Sit and kick wrote:

Did you guys see in the results there were tons of other Ping's from salt late in the results too

Asian Mormons or something? An 8 year old male ping from SL went 18:13 to his 11 year old (sister/wife?) in 18:21, that must have been cool

I think there were 3-7 Ping's from SL in the results when I glanced at it, apparently the entire family is into running[/quote]

Ryan and Megan are the parents. They have 3 kids that run. Grace, Lauren, and Jamieson, all really fast for their ages! I think there's more relatives back in MN that run too, not sure about anywhere else.

Pee Wee Sports wrote:

Run Doctor wrote:Whine ... RANT ... Bitch

You are not a doctor. That is a certainty.

Actually I am and specialize in Sports Medicine. If you'd like me to use medical jargon that you can not understand and give lengthy explanations I will.

I have a busy practice and only look at LR on my phone.

Run Doctor wrote:

I have a busy practice and only look at LR on my phone.

Trolling while you work.

UR not a doctor.

Goucher Needles wrote:

My take on the Ping parents is that they totally get it.

They don't want to excessively hold back their highly motivated, obviously gifted adolescent child, but they also don't want her over-doing it. They have stated directly that they want to support her dreams while recognizing that the future (with a girl like theirs) is really uncertain.

Tinman seems like the perfect coach to support this mindset.

She may get slower as she gets older. If this is the case, there's nothing wrong with that. It won't be burnout (based on this training), it'll be biology. No matter what, she can still celebrate her 13 year old WR when she's 25.

And really, what's the alternative? Not have her race? No parent in their right mind would not support a kid like Grace to give it a go.

Was once a youth coach.

There are kids from my program who competed successfully at every level including professional. No disrespect meant towards Ping's parents or coach, but in my 'personal opinion', the intensity is too much. I have seen many girls get D1 scholarships who never trained at altitude, did resistance training, rarely paid attention to what they ate and never ran a step over 40mph until they went to college. There are a lot of pre puberty females that could run surprisingly fast and faster LD the more training volume they get. In general the best females were the one's who could ran a fast 400 or 800n and did multiple sports at Ping's age. I am more impressed with a 13yo who could run in the 2-teens for the 800 and a sub-60 400. Btw, Ping's parents and coach by all accounts appear to be thoughtful about what they are doing, I am just speaking in general from my personal experience.

Right on!! I mean you could have just left it at my post instead of repeating it in a slightly different way, but right on!

No offense, but I live with a doctor and she doesn't ever speak like you speak. Nor do several of my friends who also practice medicine. Sorry, but I ain't buying it

Did any of them have the last 2 world 5k records that Ping has broken?

Go back to the Hasay threads from when she was that age. 10-12 years later and she is still one of the top runners in the country. Everybody has to live their OWN life.

O Coach wrote:

No offense, but I live with a doctor and she doesn't ever speak like you speak. Nor do several of my friends who also practice medicine. Sorry, but I ain't buying it

I've known doctors who speak in at least four completely different ways, so I'm willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt.

Run Doctor wrote:Whine ... RANT ... Bitch

Yup, seems like an understanding doctor to me

Interested parent wrote:

O Coach wrote:

No offense, but I live with a doctor and she doesn't ever speak like you speak. Nor do several of my friends who also practice medicine. Sorry, but I ain't buying it

I've known doctors who speak in at least four completely different ways, so I'm willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt.

Can you describe the four completely different ways?