California going to votes for independence

The next boom is clean energy and leaving the oil/coal industry behind. Start looking into it now if you want to cash in.

Yoddles wrote:

How would you determine citizenship?

Dual citizenship. Move from one to the other as you please.

If California secedes that would be the death of the Democratic Party. Then the libertarian party would rise up and settle down in Texas and then In a few years Texas would secede.

And in 30 years the USA will be 13 different countries all with different governments. That way if you believe in socialism you move to the socialist area. If you believe in communism you move to that area, and so on. This will be a good thing because the moral of the citizens will be high because they will be living in a place that matches their political ideology, and the governments or lack there of will have to operating really good or they would lose citizens to other areas. Governments would be competing for citizens....good citizens.

Perhaps we could away with prisons and build a wall around Ohio and send all the criminals there. First ever prison state.

Boulder fantasy wrote:

The next boom is clean energy and leaving the oil/coal industry behind. Start looking into it now if you want to cash in.

The oil/coal industry is battling against alternative energy. They will lose that battle.

If Trump really wanted to save West Virginia he would help them build alternative energy development and manufacturing. Leave the coal in the ground. It has worsened the health of coal workers in West Virginia.

Road trip wrote:

If California secedes that would be the death of the Democratic Party.

Not necessarily, but much less of an impact on national issues.

If the only reason the Democratic Party dominates the vote in the USA is one state, then the USA should be happy to evolve into smaller countries (West Coast, North East, maybe others? Southeast, North Central, South Central). And politically the should be less fighting and arguing than there is now.

Simply, the USA is too big and diverse to pretend to be a cohesive country any longer.

Natural Path wrote:

Road trip wrote:

If California secedes that would be the death of the Democratic Party.

Not necessarily, but much less of an impact on national issues.

If the only reason the Democratic Party dominates the vote in the USA is one state, then the USA should be happy to evolve into smaller countries (West Coast, North East, maybe others? Southeast, North Central, South Central). And politically the should be less fighting and arguing than there is now.

Simply, the USA is too big and diverse to pretend to be a cohesive country any longer.

Weird how Democrats are all about state's rights and sovereignty when they aren't in power anymore.

CA military wrote:

Live to run wrote:

No military. It'll never happen.

The US does not own the entire military. CA owns a percentage based on taxes paid.

Trumpster are soooooo blind and ignorant.

California does not own any percent of the military if they secede you idiot. You think the US government will hand them Camp Pendleton? Even if the vote succeeds the "nation" of California would lose all trading and business rights with USA. And since CA imports most of its water people would starve die of dehydration In weeks. No oil would make it to CA as the US government would restrict other nations with trading with CA.

weird, huh... wrote:

Weird how Democrats are all about state's rights and sovereignty when they aren't in power anymore.

Not as weird as how skeered Republicans are to lose Democratic controlled states. No one to fight with anymore. They will have to pick on each other.

ship all the liberals there. Cut off all their federal funding. See how they are going to pay for welfare for millions of illegals. hahahahaha. the illegals will eat the liberals alive.

California's institutions of higher learning are inextricably linked to its Lawrence Labs and they can crank out nukes like chicken McNuggets. You threaten to mess with their water and you cut off your food supply. You need California a lot more than it needs you.

Skeered Red Staters wrote:

weird, huh... wrote:

Weird how Democrats are all about state's rights and sovereignty when they aren't in power anymore.

Not as weird as how skeered Republicans are to lose Democratic controlled states. No one to fight with anymore. They will have to pick on each other.

Zero Republicans in this thread have 'skeered' about losing California.

Not my NCAA champion wrote:

CA military wrote:

The US does not own the entire military. CA owns a percentage based on taxes paid.

Trumpster are soooooo blind and ignorant.

California does not own any percent of the military if they secede you idiot. You think the US government will hand them Camp Pendleton? Even if the vote succeeds the "nation" of California would lose all trading and business rights with USA. And since CA imports most of its water people would starve die of dehydration In weeks. No oil would make it to CA as the US government would restrict other nations with trading with CA.

You are wrong, IDIOT. The poster is 100% correct. A percentage of the military was paid for using CA tax money. You know nothing about how the military was paid for. Hint: rednecks didn't grow the money on trees.

The USA has ZERO control over a sovereign State.

CA is the #1 provider of agricultural product to the USA. Cut off the water. Cut of the food. the USA would starve. CA has food AND water.

BTW: How will the USA cut off Colorado River water? Build another Hoover Dam? What happens when water needs to be released to prevent flooding? Intentionally flood CA, AZ, NV and Mexico?

Western floods of 1983

A big snowmelt in the Rocky Mountains led to record flooding on the Colorado River in 1983 (and again in 1984). Heavy and unseasonably late snows in May were followed rapidly by warm temperatures and record rainfall in early June. The resulting huge surge of water was not forecasted and not enough water was dumped from Colorado River reservoirs in time to compensate. High inflows forced opening of the emergency spillways at Glen Canyon and Hoover Dams for the first time since their construction except for brief tests. Releases from Hoover Dam reached a record high of 48,000 cubic feet per second (1,400 m3/s) (much higher than the maximum allowed flood release of 28,000 cubic feet per second (790 m3/s)), which damaged levees and riverside property along the Lower Colorado River Valley, resulting in seven deaths. However, this was still much lower than the peak inflow above Lake Powell, which was recorded at 122,700 cubic feet per second (3,470 m3/s) on July 1.

The Colorado, which is usually dry at the mouth due to extensive diversions, reached the Gulf of California for the first time since the 1960s. Due to a spillway design error at Glen Canyon coupled with the relentless flooding, the dam at Glen Canyon very nearly failed, which would have emptied Lake Powell (the second-largest man-made lake in the US) and flooded out the entire lower valley of the Colorado River, cutting off water supplies to millions of people. By August as the water finally began to recede, the dam held, though only barely. Damages along the Colorado River amounted to about $80 million ($182 million in 2012 dollars).

It does not matter what the law says or who paid for it. The authority belongs to those who have the power and that's the us government.

This has nothing to do with money or law. The government has the guns and they'd be pointed right at Californias head.

weird, huh... wrote:

Skeered Red Staters wrote:

Not as weird as how skeered Republicans are to lose Democratic controlled states. No one to fight with anymore. They will have to pick on each other.

Zero Republicans in this thread have 'skeered' about losing California.

Provide a Link.

Not my NCAA champion wrote:

It does not matter what the law says or who paid for it. The authority belongs to those who have the power and that's the us government.

This has nothing to do with money or law. The government has the guns and they'd be pointed right at Californias head.

Sorry, won't work. CA owns part of the USA military. Rednecks so STUPID.

Skeered Repubs wrote:

weird, huh... wrote:

Zero Republicans in this thread have 'skeered' about losing California.

Provide a Link.

If California secedes that will be 40 million fewer deadbeats that we Americans have to worry about. No food and water? We can relax the immigration laws (LOL - suckers!) and have millions of Mexicans come in to do all he crop-picking with one proviso - No citizenship EVER. You liberal Californians - we don't want you and we don't need you. We can get buy MUCH MUCH better without your lazy arses. Good Riddance! have fun with Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Walters and all the other crazy liberal nut jobs in your state! We will thrive without you being an anchor on our sleek and shining ship!

Not Yours wrote:

Not my NCAA champion wrote:

It does not matter what the law says or who paid for it. The authority belongs to those who have the power and that's the us government.

This has nothing to do with money or law. The government has the guns and they'd be pointed right at Californias head.

Sorry, won't work. CA owns part of the USA military. Rednecks so STUPID.

Exactly what "part of the USA military" does CA own?

Army - nope

Navy - nope

Marines - nope

Air Force - nope

This isn't divorce court where each party takes what they want. This would be CA leaving and taking NO federal resources with them. You forget that the US government controls all these forces. None of the forces are CONTROLLED by the states.

It is much more like a deadbeat high school dropout deciding to leave his parents home and quickly finding out that life was much better when mommy and daddy paid their cell phone bills.