I met a 2:18 marathoner this week, he said he does most of his mileage at 8:00 pace.. how?

Regarding the MAF term, all that it means, is that you apply a heart rate range to your easy runs.

MAF is basically what people called "zone 2" 10 years ago. You know that, right?

HobsJog wrote:

Regarding the MAF term, all that it means, is that you apply a heart rate range to your easy runs.

MAF is basically what people called "zone 2" 10 years ago. You know that, right?

It's Maffturbating

Times are a by product of their era. No one was going to run 2:04 in the 80s. Not everyone had "easy" days as part of their schedule. If you needed an easy day you'd have one but a lot of people went as hard as they could most of the times and got very good results. It's kind of hard to think that Steve Jones underperformed. But sure, you'd know better than he would.

HobsJog wrote:

Could Jonesy have run a 2:04 if he trained with more of a brain and less emotions? We don't know. .

Here's 2:04 pace, no pacers.

HobsJog wrote:

Why not focus on the Kenyan and Ethiopian runners who are running easy at 6:30 to 8 minutes

Anyone who runs hard on their easy days is underperforming - it comes down to that.

Tergat, 80 % of miles at 2 to 3 minutes slower? Nope. Kenyan? Yep.

" Sunday

6:00 a.m. 60 min at 5:40 pace

10:00 a.m. 45 min at 5:40

pace

Monday

6:00 a.m 12 miles at 5:20 pace

10:00 a.m 5 miles at 4:50

pace, then 15 x 200m hills

Tuesday

6:00 a.m 9 miles in 5:30 pace

10:00 a.m 9 miles at 4:50

pace

Wednesday

6:00 a.m 14 miles at 5:40 pace

10:00 a.m 6 miles easy

Thursday

6:00 a.m 9 miles at 4:50 pace,

then 20 strides practicing form

10:00 a.m 9 miles fartlek

Friday

6:00 a.m 9 miles in 4:50 pace

10:00 a.m 5 miles at 7:00

pace

Saturday

6:00 a.m 7 miles at 7:00 pace

10:00 a.m Off

Sunday

12 miles at 6:00 pace"

"That is a 21.88% increase in hemoglobin value in 2 days, from 12.8 g/dL to 15.6 g/dL."

I agree, those numbers look very suspicious.

What I don't understand is why the hemoglobin test is still being used. It is ambiguous and fairly easily manipulated through plasma volume variations. It would seem to me that a total red blood cell count (measured through CO2 absorption) would be a bit more definitive, since it is independent of plasma volume.

metemq wrote:

He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?

How does say 8 mpm@7k feet on trails with elevation gains and poor footing compare to say running 6:30 at sea level on flat ground with good footing? Pretty darn close.

Throw in if you are running say 120+mpw, you are still dowing 24+ miles are a fast pace. Thats a lot of fast mileage.

HobsJog wrote:

Regarding the MAF term, all that it means, is that you apply a heart rate range to your easy runs.

MAF is basically what people called "zone 2" 10 years ago. You know that, right?

THANK YOU! geezuz christ the maff eaters have been annoying. Maff is not rocket science and it is not new. It is conversational running.

You must have a big butt to pull that out of it.

That's all you got jogger boy. Mom got you a treadmill so you don't have to leave the basement.

Now you can Maffturbate to your heart's content.

xlev2 wrote:

This how the Japanese train

Yes I'm pretty sure Yuki Kawauchi says he does long/easy runs (ie, majority, very high volume) at 8:00 page and then his soeedwork is fast

I was a 2:17 guy. I ran most of my mileage at 8:00 pace. What's the big deal?

Rosun wrote:

HobsJog wrote:

Regarding the MAF term, all that it means, is that you apply a heart rate range to your easy runs.

MAF is basically what people called "zone 2" 10 years ago. You know that, right?

THANK YOU! geezuz christ the maff eaters have been annoying. Maff is not rocket science and it is not new. It is conversational running.

So why call it Maff? Conversational running existed long before Maff.

He Trolled the F out of you.

I Was wrote:

I was a 2:17 guy. I ran most of my mileage at 8:00 pace. What's the big deal?

Pinnochio

I Was wrote:

I was a 2:17 guy. I ran most of my mileage at 8:00 pace. What's the big deal?

I was a 2:16 guy and ran 75% of my mileage at 9:00 pace. No sweat.

Kirui and Mosops relative and absolute paces of marathon training, these are what the top in the world looks like so anyone genuinely interested just look at this, looks like easy is still never slower than 7:15

Individual differences? This works for him. Maybe he has endurance/strength so he can take it easy 80% of the time and hammer the 20%. There are different training programs that may seem polar opposites but work for some people depending on their strength and weaknesses. I think working to improve your weaknesses is the key to running fast. No speed, gain speed and vice virsa.

Clearly they were in their MAF zone at that pace.