garminator wrote:
outsiderunner wrote:My PR in the 5k is 18:40, run not long ago on July 4, 2016, and on a hilly course, too. The 19:12 was in terrible conditions, and during a 66-mile week of 100+ heat index running. There was one run that week wherein I ran in a heat index of 121.
So you're saying that you 5k PR should be better? Where have I heard that before
I think he's more of an 18 flat 5Ker. Ya know based on his training runs and whatnot.
outsiderunner wrote:
No, but perhaps someone has turned off your brain, as GPS watches never lose signal, right?
https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216917707-Bad-GPS-Data-What-Why-Howhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/health/nutrition/gps-watches-may-not-track-runs-accurately.html?pagewanted=all
Why would you pay a lot of money to buy something that are well known to not work at all?
That does not make any sense.
Were you hypoglycemic when you decided to purchase this useless GPS watch?
You may have chronic low brain glucose syndrome.
It can lead to chronic poor decision making behavior in your marathon training, marathon racing, and useless gps watch purchase decisions.
Angryjohnny wrote:
Hey outsiderunner -- Did you register for Chicago?
Hey, Angryjohnny...no, I have not registered for Chicago. Have you? I know it is a good PR course, but the weather is usually iffy.
I am registered for Chicago. Now if I can just get my Achilles to cooperate...
Angryjohnny wrote:
I am registered for Chicago. Now if I can just get my Achilles to cooperate...
I wish you all the best, angyjohnny--quick healing. I just checked the train schedules to Chicago (I like to travel by train), and it is a basically a whole day to get there...vs. five hours to NYC. Not saying I will run NYC, but the travel to Chicago is an issue for me.
outsiderunner wrote:
Angryjohnny wrote:Hey outsiderunner -- Did you register for Chicago?
Hey, Angryjohnny...no, I have not registered for Chicago. Have you? I know it is a good PR course, but the weather is usually iffy.
Are you already trying to use the weather as an excuse for your future Chicago marathon performance which might be below your ability as a "should be 2:50" marathoner?
You have not registered for the race and you are using the weather as an excuse.
This is a consistent pattern with you.
outsiderunner wrote:
No, but perhaps someone has turned off your brain, as GPS watches never lose signal, right?
https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216917707-Bad-GPS-Data-What-Why-Howhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/health/nutrition/gps-watches-may-not-track-runs-accurately.html?pagewanted=all
Come on man. You have to admit. It does seem a little fishy that your GPS just happened to go dark at the exact moment you supposedly turned off course, doesn't it? You're asking us to believe a cop and car were blocking the trail and the former didn't tell you that you made a wrong turn and at that same exact time your GPS watch turned off or otherwise failed. You don't see many of us find this very suspicious?
This is currently my favourite thread
Come on, man. First, as per the GPS track--which all of you sullen types demanded--the signal was lost as I headed back to the trail, not at the exact moment I left the course. Second, the GPS had obviously been malfunctioning and tracking me for incorrectly for quite some time prior to my wrong turn. Third, are you saying that the police have never made a mistake? Fourth, the twisted mind that always assumes someone else is lying is likely the mind of a liar. Fifth, no, I do not see any reason at all for you to be suspicious.
outsiderunner wrote:
Come on, man. First, as per the GPS track--which all of you sullen types demanded--the signal was lost as I headed back to the trail, not at the exact moment I left the course. Second, the GPS had obviously been malfunctioning and tracking me for incorrectly for quite some time prior to my wrong turn. Third, are you saying that the police have never made a mistake? Fourth, the twisted mind that always assumes someone else is lying is likely the mind of a liar. Fifth, no, I do not see any reason at all for you to be suspicious.
Can you give us a link to the official race results for this race where we can see that a 47 year old runner had a finish time of 3:07?
That will show us that you really did run a 3:07 marathon.
I don't think it is very nice that you assume that we are liars.
I find your statement quite provocative.
You have a really bummer attitude for a sh*tty "should be 2:50" marathoner.
outsiderunner wrote:
Come on, man. First, as per the GPS track--which all of you sullen types demanded--the signal was lost as I headed back to the trail, not at the exact moment I left the course. Second, the GPS had obviously been malfunctioning and tracking me for incorrectly for quite some time prior to my wrong turn. Third, are you saying that the police have never made a mistake? Fourth, the twisted mind that always assumes someone else is lying is likely the mind of a liar. Fifth, no, I do not see any reason at all for you to be suspicious.
You said you lost 4 minutes. And the GPS got cut off somewhere in that time. That's an interesting coincidence.
Your GPS wasn't malfunctioning before that. The splits look pretty normal, actually.
I'm not saying the police don't make mistakes. I'm saying that it is a little odd that a police officer who is marshaling a race would watch you make a wrong turn and not say anything. In fact, no one said anything. And this is a course that numerous people here have run and said is impossible to screw up on. And it happened on the back part of the out-and-back. So you knew exactly what was coming.
Lastly, my hypothesis is that you sir are the liar. There was pressure on you going into this race. You displayed a lot of hubris on this forum last week, defending your training methods and your fitness. My hypothesis is that you started to feel bad during the race, you knew you weren't going to go sub-3 or anywhere close to your PR, and so you turned the watch off. Probably walked for a minute or two. And then you turned the watch back on again later only to turn it off again. Helps with the story about it malfunctioning, of course.
That's what I think.
Review my words. I called none of you liars. I said that those who assume that others are always lying, are often liars themselves. Do you fit that description? Only you can answer that question. Otherwise, the only thing I see here that is not "very nice" and "bummer" and "quite provocative" is you saying that I am some type of sh*tty "should be 2:50" marathoner. It is also odd that the term "2:55 marathoner" or "2:50 marathoner" keeps getting thrown in my direction, as I never argued or assumed such a thing. The concept was first suggested by another poster, angryjohnny, I believe, and then others agreed with that perspective.
outsiderunner wrote:
Yes, I think I was in 2:55 shape.
Hmmm.
You could not be father from the truth, but I will no longer try to convince you otherwise. All I can say is that you clearly do not know the trail, for if you did, you would know that there is clear evidence of the GPS track being incorrect. You could make up your hypothesis, but that is all it is, a hypothesis. I have the truth, and I have shared it with you. There are a number of people here who have no problem believing me, and it is sad that you would assume the worst of a fellow runner.
Life is not one continuous prank. It is time to stop.
Lost unlucky 2:50 marathoner wrote:
outsiderunner wrote:Thank you very much, Er, for posting here, and for showing both reason and decency in your remarks. I have just experienced the worst mishap in any race I have ever run, and your remarks are both encouraging and consoling. As I have said, I have come away with a positive view of the race, even though I made the wrong turn. I have learned something about perseverance, or as they would say when I was in the military, the ability to "press on" when all seems lost. I think this is perhaps why the wrong turn happened, as everything in life happens for a reason.
Likewise, I have received some thoughtful advice here, though amidst some of the most ridiculous, absurd, and insulting comments I have come across anywhere. Hence, I have thought of foregoing any further communication in this thread, but your comments have motivated me to write this reply.
I have talked to my friend, the one who suggested that I run the second marathon. She knows me and my running, and has showed true faith in me. She says I must build upon what was significant in that race--how I felt in that marathon, taking note of how well I was doing in the second half, and how well I closed, being in position for a negative split and a PR. She is glad I ran the race, and so am I. I learned a lot in that race, in many different.ways.
She has advised me to run our local winter sries, and to do a good two months of easy base work. She thinks I should definitely do a marthon next fall, and perhaps even one in the spring, though she feels that if I do a spring marathon, it should be on less structured training, and I should go in without any pressure or expectations. I agree with her completely.
I have gained a respect for you, and so I ask your opinion. What do you think?
Before I forget: she also agreed with what a few others have said here, that I should be more of a 2:50 or 2:55, as per what I have been able to accomplish in training.
Let me know what you think, and...
All the best to you...
It is unfortunate that a guy who thinks he has 2:50 marathon potential runs between 3:02 and 3:07 in his three marathons so far.
Please continue your post-race analysis of your unique training methods and marathon performance potential which remains untapped.
We can all get ready for your next marathon in 3 weeks.
Do you think outsiderunner can remember this part?
"Before I forget: she also agreed with what a few others have said here, that I should be more of a 2:50 of 2:55, as per what I have been able to accomplish in training…Let me know what you think…"
Oh boy.
I don't like the look of this delusional thinking.
Do you think it could be a hypoglycemic/psychotic brain episode?
Someone else offered an opinion, I thought about it, and then gave my opinion. As I have said, I never made such an assumption or chose to argue the point. In response to an observation, I gave a hypothesis, and that is all it was, a hypothesis.
Huh? Delusional? Your quote only proves my point. Others had suggested the sub-3:00 potential, and then someone else agreed.
Shhhhhhhh wrote:
outsiderunner wrote:Come on, man. First, as per the GPS track--which all of you sullen types demanded--the signal was lost as I headed back to the trail, not at the exact moment I left the course. Second, the GPS had obviously been malfunctioning and tracking me for incorrectly for quite some time prior to my wrong turn. Third, are you saying that the police have never made a mistake? Fourth, the twisted mind that always assumes someone else is lying is likely the mind of a liar. Fifth, no, I do not see any reason at all for you to be suspicious.
You said you lost 4 minutes. And the GPS got cut off somewhere in that time. That's an interesting coincidence.
Your GPS wasn't malfunctioning before that. The splits look pretty normal, actually.
I'm not saying the police don't make mistakes. I'm saying that it is a little odd that a police officer who is marshaling a race would watch you make a wrong turn and not say anything. In fact, no one said anything. And this is a course that numerous people here have run and said is impossible to screw up on. And it happened on the back part of the out-and-back. So you knew exactly what was coming.
Lastly, my hypothesis is that you sir are the liar. There was pressure on you going into this race. You displayed a lot of hubris on this forum last week, defending your training methods and your fitness. My hypothesis is that you started to feel bad during the race, you knew you weren't going to go sub-3 or anywhere close to your PR, and so you turned the watch off. Probably walked for a minute or two. And then you turned the watch back on again later only to turn it off again. Helps with the story about it malfunctioning, of course.
That's what I think.
Don't forget that when he got lost he happened upon two kindly old ladies who were out for a walk. Somehow, they knew the course (and he didn't) and directed him back on the correct route.
2+2=3
I've been called a lot worse here. Hey, it's an anonymous message board--take what you want and leave the rest. You began this thread with specific details and proceeded to engage us with some very interesting questions and responses on a subject we're all interested in--training well to race faster. You've got some excellent advice here. Ignore the nonsense and move on to better training. And don't get involved in a fight with anonymous posters, no matter how badly they've impugned your character. You have nothing to gain from that.
outsiderunner wrote:
In regard to having cause for complaint, I ask you: what if you were called a liar--and called a liar multiple times? What would you do? The grass is always greener when you're sitting back making judgments or standing by watching the fray, out of harm's way. You're a runner, right? Why not try running in someone else's shoes.
Shhhhhhhh wrote:
outsiderunner wrote:Come on, man. First, as per the GPS track--which all of you sullen types demanded--the signal was lost as I headed back to the trail, not at the exact moment I left the course. Second, the GPS had obviously been malfunctioning and tracking me for incorrectly for quite some time prior to my wrong turn. Third, are you saying that the police have never made a mistake? Fourth, the twisted mind that always assumes someone else is lying is likely the mind of a liar. Fifth, no, I do not see any reason at all for you to be suspicious.
You said you lost 4 minutes. And the GPS got cut off somewhere in that time. That's an interesting coincidence.
Your GPS wasn't malfunctioning before that. The splits look pretty normal, actually.
I'm not saying the police don't make mistakes. I'm saying that it is a little odd that a police officer who is marshaling a race would watch you make a wrong turn and not say anything. In fact, no one said anything. And this is a course that numerous people here have run and said is impossible to screw up on. And it happened on the back part of the out-and-back. So you knew exactly what was coming.
Lastly, my hypothesis is that you sir are the liar. There was pressure on you going into this race. You displayed a lot of hubris on this forum last week, defending your training methods and your fitness. My hypothesis is that you started to feel bad during the race, you knew you weren't going to go sub-3 or anywhere close to your PR, and so you turned the watch off. Probably walked for a minute or two. And then you turned the watch back on again later only to turn it off again. Helps with the story about it malfunctioning, of course.
That's what I think.
RJM, stop the trolling.
Outsiderunner is stubborn and unconventional, but he isn't a liar. In my opinion he has been very open and honest.
Also several of your statements aren't correct.
"Your GPS wasn't malfunctioning before that." -> Just check the map of his activity:
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1462904062It began malfunctioning a bit after the turnaround.
"so you turned the watch off" -> Not true either. Compare Garmin "time" and "elapsed time". Both are 3:07:48. He didn't pause his watch for one second.
I am not sure if this is the case, but the faulty watch may actually have contributed to him making the wrong turn. Because he was confused about the distance he had already run, he didn't know when he had to make the turn.
One word of advice to outsiderunner: your race results should dictate your training paces, not the other way around. Jack Daniels explains this in his book.
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