Disappointed at NYC Marathon--Should I go back-to-back?

I'm actually aiming to run closer to 2:55, but we probably wouldn't be far off. Also, let me know what you hear about packet pick-up. It would save me a bunch of driving on Friday. P.S. I have to agree with RegFields...you seem to have a tendency to overthink things. Just run.

Yes, Reg, Angry, and Molk, I do think about things too much--guilty as charged. That is just how I am.

Reg.: thanks so much for giving me your personal insight on the course. This is very helpful for a guy that tends to think about things too much,

Molk...I will let you know what I hear in regard to packet pickup. Race-day pickup would save me some hassle, too.

My throat is less sore, but I still have congestion. I hope I feel better tomorrow morning. I need a good night's sleep. My tentative plan is to rest again tomorrow (wow, that would be three days in a row), and run on Tues. and Thur., hoping to race on Saturday. We will see...

outsiderunner wrote:

Yes, Reg, Angry, and Molk, I do think about things too much--guilty as charged. That is just how I am.

Reg.: thanks so much for giving me your personal insight on the course. This is very helpful for a guy that tends to think about things too much,

Molk...I will let you know what I hear in regard to packet pickup. Race-day pickup would save me some hassle, too.

My throat is less sore, but I still have congestion. I hope I feel better tomorrow morning. I need a good night's sleep. My tentative plan is to rest again tomorrow (wow, that would be three days in a row), and run on Tues. and Thur., hoping to race on Saturday. We will see...

No no no. You need to run tomorrow no matter what. Your fitness has already dwindled significantly by taking two days off. You need to get out there.

Hear me wrote:

No no no. You need to run tomorrow no matter what. Your fitness has already dwindled significantly by taking two days off. You need to get out there.

LOL.

Yes--LOL.

outsiderunner wrote:

The more information, the better. It comes in handy in this type of situation, and in regard to injuries, too.

But who has ever gotten injured due to wind? I also doubt that the reason you were injured in the winter was due to cold. Convenient correlation, dubious causation.

I did not necessarily say wind, but my point was in regard to the cold. It was a very cold and windy day for running. Again, both of my injuries in the last two years occurred on cold days. I will not ignore this fact.

Update- I'm lowering your troll score to 3.5/10

outsiderunner wrote:

I did not necessarily say wind, but my point was in regard to the cold. It was a very cold and windy day for running. Again, both of my injuries in the last two years occurred on cold days. I will not ignore this fact.

If both your injuries occured on a Tuesday, you would never run again on a Tuesday?

outsiderunner wrote:

I did not necessarily say wind, but my point was in regard to the cold. It was a very cold and windy day for running. Again, both of my injuries in the last two years occurred on cold days. I will not ignore this fact.

So you've said. Maybe too impatient to warm up properly?

All of my running injuries have occurred while wearing running shoes with shoelaces. 100% correlation.

Darkwave wrote:

All of my running injuries have occurred while wearing running shoes with shoelaces. 100% correlation.

Interesting. All of my injuries have occured whilst breathing air from the environment around me. Should I switch to running with scuba gear?

Reg Fields wrote:

I don't care what the NCR course profile looks like, that trail is pancake flat and you can't even feel the very gradual incline. I run on that trail all the time and can fly on it much faster than I can on the roads. If you can't PR on that course then I don't know what to tell you. If anything it's too flat, whereas Philly has a few hills which relieve your calves a bit.

Based on my reading from this thread you way overthink things which is a recipe for disaster. My philosophy is train hard and just be loose and relaxed on race day with almost a nonchalant attitude. That's how you crush races.

I will make my decision tomorrow. I think I should be well enough to run, and so I will make my decision after my morning run. If I feel good in the run, I will likely register. Will look for a hotel room, too.

I thank you, Reg. Fields, for recommending the NCR. It looks like a good choice. You are right about being loose and almost nonchalant. Will try to adopt this attitude.

All the best...

Looks like you can get your bib Saturday morning per an email that was sent earlier today.

I don't see any reason to believe this. If you want to rewrite your training log for those 24 weeks then fine, but on the day I think you executed extremely well. With that fast long run and all other circumstances you ran what you deserved. You just won't accept it.

outsiderunner wrote:

I gather I ran the wrong race, but I still should have run better than I did.

Also, in planning for NYC, I figured I would still get another shot at a sub-3. After NYC, I have adjusted my thinking, and that is why I wanted to run again soon. My fitness is just too good to waste. Time to try something different. I can always adjust my race plan if things are not going well. To me, it is worth a try, at least once.

Just curious. What was the temperature, humidity and windspeed when you did the 22 miler a MP and how hilly was that particular run compared to NYC?

Angryjohnny wrote:

Just curious. What was the temperature, humidity and windspeed when you did the 22 miler a MP and how hilly was that particular run compared to NYC?

As per the log entry for 10/8/16...

Did 22.13 mi in 2:32:14

out: 63/63, rain, NNE@5, DP=63, UV=1, 100% hum.

in: 62/62, lt. rain, N@3, DP=62, UV=2, 100% hum.

VDOT = 52.9

10:10 am start

I have all the splits, but my last six were: 6:58, 6:39, 6:51, 6:43, 6:39, 6:30. My notes say, "Very good breathing" and "Plenty of energy."

I love running, and take it seriously. I have used my usual log book shorthand here for the weather, and so let me know if you have any questions.

Also, the week before this I did 23.25 mi at an overall 7:04 pace, feeling very good when done. The week after the 22-miler, I did 20.25 miles at an overall 7:10 pace, taking it easy and feeling good. And the week after that, I pulled off 18 miles in 2:04:03, a 6:51 pace, when rounded up.

I live in a hilly area, and the run had at least two long, steep half-mile hill, and at least two loops (3 miles each) of tough rollers. All of my log runs are hilly. There is no way to avoid hills here. Also, I started that 22-miler with a 4x1 at 6:26 target pace. My actual splits were,: 6:22, 6:19.8, 6:23.8, and 6:17.9. (after two miles of 7:41 and 7:12 to warm up).

Ah....so you did all your long runs too fast for too long for several weeks. Too bad you got sick, least satisfying conclusion to this saga.Also, you may not know the definition of truly "taking it easy".