Does Ray Treacy know how crazy to suggest she can go from 2:28 to 2:20? Like a male 2:17 debuter going to 2:09.

Dastard wrote:

+1

Salient and succinct wrote:

Well stated.

+1

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Polly, you sorry troll, stick to WeightWatchers and leave the real running to the experts.

TrackBot! Compare Kim Smith vs Molly Huddle

Trackbot! PRs Molly Huddle

Head-to-head record between Kim Smith (left) and Molly Huddle (right):

Big East Syracuse NY 2004-02-22: 3000 m: 8:55.88 (1) VS 9:09.34 (3)

NCAA Fayetteville AR 2004-03-12: 5000 m: 15:14.18 (1) VS 15:58.42 (3)

NCAA Fayetteville AR 2004-03-13: 3000 m: 8:49.18 (1) VS 9:13.67 (7)

MSR Walnut CA 2004-04-16: 5000 m: 15:09.72 (2) VS 15:32.55 (8)

NCAA Austin TX 2004-06-12: 5000 m: 15:48.86 (1) VS 16:25.44 (3)

MSR Walnut CA 2007-04-13: 5000 m: DNF (0) VS 15:32.83 (10)

Fifth Avenue New York NY 2007-09-29: Mile, road: 4:25.0h (4) VS 4:39.2h (10)

Jordan Stanford CA 2008-05-04: 10000 m: 30:35.54 (2) VS 31:27.12 (5)

DNG Stockholm 2008-07-22: 5000 m: 15:02.07 (4) VS 15:51.59 (9)

Boston MA 2013-04-14: 5 km: 15:16 (1) VS 15:28 (3)

BAA Boston MA 2016-04-16: 5 km: 15:55 (6) VS 15:14 (1)

Kim "MF" Smith total wins: 9

Molly "DEVASTATED" Huddle total wins: 2

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TrackBot! PRs Kim Smith

PRs for Molly Huddle:

1500 m (Outdoor): 4:08.09 on 16 Jul 2013

1500 m (Indoor): 4:22.1h mx on 10 Feb 2002

One Mile (Outdoor): 4:26.84 on 11 Jul 2014

One Mile (Indoor): 4:41.91 OT on 6 Mar 2004

Mile, road (Outdoor): 4:25.92 on 26 Sep 2010

3000 m (Outdoor): 8:42.99 on 26 Jul 2013

3000 m (Indoor): 8:57.30 OT on 5 Mar 2011

5000 m (Outdoor): 14:42.64    AR on 18 Jul 2014

5000 m (Indoor): 14:57.31 on 20 Feb 2016

10000 m (Outdoor): 30:13.17    AR on 12 Aug 2016

10 miles (Outdoor): 51:44 on 4 Oct 2015

8 km (Outdoor): 26:06 on 27 Sep 2008

5 km (Outdoor): 14:50    AR on 18 Apr 2015

10 km (Outdoor): 31:21 on 12 Oct 2015

15 km (Outdoor): 49:57 on 11 Mar 2012

20 km (Outdoor): 66:26 on 7 Sep 2015

Half Marathon (Outdoor): 67:41 on 20 Mar 2016

12 km (Outdoor): 37:50 on 17 Nov 2013

7 miles (Outdoor): 36:14 on 26 Jul 2014

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PRs for Kim Smith:

1500 m (Outdoor): 4:11.25 on 26 Jun 2004

One Mile (Indoor): 4:24.14    AR on 8 Feb 2008

Mile, road (Outdoor): 4:25.0h on 29 Sep 2007

2000 m (Outdoor): 5:47.10 on 13 Jan 2007

3000 m (Outdoor): 8:35.31    AR on 25 Jul 2007

3000 m (Indoor): 8:38.14    AR on 27 Jan 2007

Two Miles (Indoor): 9:13.94    AR on 26 Jan 2008

5000 m (Outdoor): 14:45.93    AR on 11 Jul 2008

5000 m (Indoor): 14:39.89    AR on 27 Feb 2009

10000 m (Outdoor): 30:35.54    AR on 4 May 2008

4 miles (Outdoor): 19:38 on 20 Jun 2009

10 miles (Outdoor): 53:10 on 27 Jul 2010

5 miles (Outdoor): 26:19 on 20 Aug 2011

8 km (Outdoor): 27:11 on 22 Nov 2015

5 km (Outdoor): 14:48    NR on 30 Mar 2013

10 km (Outdoor): 31:23 on 4 Jul 2010

Half Marathon (Outdoor): 67:11 on 18 Sep 2011

4.748 miles (Outdoor): 24:23 on 24 Nov 2005

Marathon (Outdoor): 2:25:21    NR on 25 Apr 2010

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Real life marathon progression:

2:44

2:37

2:31

2:27

2:26

2:25

2:22

Guess who?

Huddle is basically Deena Kastor 2.0. Lots of track records. Super smooth runner who only gets better when the distance gets longer. No reason for Molly not to shoot for 2:20. She had plenty in the tank and was closing fast the last 5 mi on Sunday. All this off of a short turn around from the Olympics.

TrackBot! PRs Deena Kastor

PRs for Deena Kastor:

1500 m (Outdoor): 4:07.82 on 5 Aug 2000

One Mile (Outdoor): 5:02.04 on 5 Jun 2014

2000 m (Outdoor): 5:42.76 on 14 Jul 2001

3000 m (Outdoor): 8:42.59 on 11 Aug 2000

Two Miles (Outdoor): 9:35.89 on 19 Apr 2002

5000 m (Outdoor): 14:51.62 on 1 Aug 2000

10000 m (Outdoor): 30:50.32 on 3 May 2002

8 km (Outdoor): 27:15 on 29 Mar 2009

5 km (Outdoor): 14:54    AR on 7 Apr 2002

10 km (Outdoor): 31:44 on 12 Jun 2004

15 km (Outdoor): 47:15    AR on 8 Mar 2003

Half Marathon (Outdoor): 67:34 on 2 Apr 2006

Marathon (Outdoor): 2:19:36    AR on 23 Apr 2006

12 km (Outdoor): 39:04 on 17 May 2009

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TrackBot! VDOT 30:13.17 10km

VDOT for 30:13.17 10km: 72.2

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 02:19:20

Half marathon: 01:06:31

15K: 00:46:16

10K: 00:30:11

5K: 00:14:31

3Mi: 00:13:59

2Mi: 00:09:01

3200m: 00:08:57

3K: 00:08:21

1Mi: 00:04:13

1600m: 00:04:11

1500m: 00:03:54

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TrackBot! PRs Shalane Flanagan

PRs for Shalane Flanagan:

800 m (Outdoor): 2:09.28 on 11 May 2002

1500 m (Outdoor): 4:05.86 on 10 Jun 2007

1500 m (Indoor): 4:13.55 on 31 Jan 2004

One Mile (Indoor): 4:33.81 OT on 29 Jan 2011

Mile, road (Outdoor): 4:40.2h on 19 Apr 2009

2000 m (Indoor): 5:56.11+ on 7 Feb 2009

3000 m (Outdoor): 8:35.34 on 25 Jul 2007

3000 m (Indoor): 8:33.25    AR on 27 Jan 2007

5000 m (Outdoor): 14:44.80 on 13 Apr 2007

5000 m (Indoor): 14:47.62    AR on 7 Feb 2009

10000 m (Outdoor): 30:22.22    AR on 15 Aug 2008

8 km (Outdoor): 25:39.7h on 15 Mar 2008

5 km (Outdoor): 15:17 on 20 Sep 2015

10 km (Outdoor): 30:52 on 26 Jun 2016

15 km (Outdoor): 47:00    AR on 15 Mar 2014

Half Marathon (Outdoor): 67:51 on 5 Jun 2016

Marathon (Outdoor): 2:21:14 on 28 Sep 2014

12 km (Outdoor): 37:58 on 17 Nov 2013

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What did Deena Kastor debute at and she got below 2:20.

Bill Rogers ran 2:19 and change in 1974 and then the next year ran the American record 2:09:55, I know a little wind aided.

What did Dick Beardsley debute at and he broke 2:09.

Maybe on a faster course.

ck3237 wrote:

What did Deena Kastor debute at and she got below 2:20.

Bill Rogers ran 2:19 and change in 1974 and then the next year ran the American record 2:09:55, I know a little wind aided.

What did Dick Beardsley debute at and he broke 2:09.

Maybe on a faster course.

I think you mean debut. Or, perhaps you are thinking debutante, at least in the case of Kastor.

ck3237 wrote:

What did Deena Kastor debute at and she got below 2:20.

Kastor's 1st marathon was 2:26:58 in New York. Kastor's PR was 2:19:36 on a faster course in London.

Flanagan's 1st marathon was 2:28:40 in New York. Her PR of 2:21:14 was on a faster course in Berlin.

Given her comparable debut time in New York and comparable PRs at other distances, there's no reason to think that Huddle couldn't ultimately get in the low 2:20s on a faster course.