And here we see why anonymous internet posters get their reputations. Lydiard was never anonymous. When he began coaching his athletes knew him and knew he'd represented New Zealand in the marathon at the 1950 British Empire Games. Would you like to explain how taking advice from him is like taking advice from someone on the internet that you cannot identify and whose accomplishments and knowledge are completely unknown?
Armchair Marathoner wrote:
well,. wrote:Big difference between Lydiard and Letsrun idiots.
Yes, Lydiard didn't believe the human body could run faster than 2:12
That's odd given that he coached Paul Ballinger to 2:10.
HRE wrote:
Armchair Marathoner wrote:Yes, Lydiard didn't believe the human body could run faster than 2:12
That's odd given that he coached Paul Ballinger to 2:10.
Some anonymous guy convinced him sub 2:12 was possible.
HRE wrote:
And here we see why anonymous internet posters get their reputations. Lydiard was never anonymous. When he began coaching his athletes knew him and knew he'd represented New Zealand in the marathon at the 1950 British Empire Games. Would you like to explain how taking advice from him is like taking advice from someone on the internet that you cannot identify and whose accomplishments and knowledge are completely unknown?
You ask them and get to know them, like online dating.
Don't people who use online dating sites use their names?
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
amateurs train harder than th wrote:These workouts are pathetic.
I'm a 40-something an I do a 20-22 miler with 10-12 at marathon pace 3-4 times in a marathon buildup. I also do at least one run of 15+ miles at MP and faster, usually 18 with 12 MP, 6 faster (local 30k race).
This is alone at 7am, with no fluid or nutrition support, before taking the kids to the park.
No wonder these American elites can't compete.
Wow you're so awesome Bro. You must be able to smoke these crappy elites.
No, I just but in harder workouts but have less talent.
HRE wrote:
Don't people who use online dating sites use their names?
Eventually but usually they will keep some level of anonymity for a while and use a screen name like say, um...HRE or Tinman or even jtupper.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
[quote]amateurs train harder than th wrote:
I also do at least one run of 15+ miles at MP and faster, usually 18 with 12 MP, 6 faster (local 30k race).
This is alone at 7am, with no fluid or nutrition support, before taking the kids to the park.
No wonder these American elites can't compete.
This is absolutely ridiculous. When your MP is 5ish or faster per mile and you run an average of 15 - 20 miles per day an 18 miler with 12 MP and 6 even faster before breakfast would fry 99,9 % of all elites. 18 at that pace is called a race for elites.
secret sub-elite troll wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:[quote]amateurs train harder than th wrote:
I also do at least one run of 15+ miles at MP and faster, usually 18 with 12 MP, 6 faster (local 30k race).
This is alone at 7am, with no fluid or nutrition support, before taking the kids to the park.
No wonder these American elites can't compete.
This is absolutely ridiculous. When your MP is 5ish or faster per mile and you run an average of 15 - 20 miles per day an 18 miler with 12 MP and 6 even faster before breakfast would fry 99,9 % of all elites. 18 at that pace is called a race for elites.
Maybe but no American ran 5 minute pace or faster yesterday.
Derek Clayton on the other hand would do that sort of thing before breakfast most days of the week and again in the evening.
So really it comes down to can't because they won't do those runs or can't because they just don't have the ability.
But seriously wrote:
Spec Ops wrote:That ain't marathon spec work.
I don't think you've read Rodgers training then. Countless 10 mile-20 mile races at ~5:00/mile.
Let's not let facts cloud the issue...this is letsrun, after all.
On the other hand, almost no westerners who managed sub 5:00 pace for the marathon trained like Clayton. Most of what Hill and Rodgers did was fairly easy distance running with a couple interval sessions and a race each week. DeCastella, Moneghetti, Ian Thompson did not routinely do long runs at 5:00 pace or better. And really, Clayton had two marathons in his career when he ran sub 5:00 pace and many more where he did not.
amateurs train harder than th wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:Wow you're so awesome Bro. You must be able to smoke these crappy elites.
No, I just but in harder workouts but have less talent.
Nah, you just have crap training.
Jhuygtfguu wrote:
amateurs train harder than th wrote:No, I just but in harder workouts but have less talent.
Nah, you just have crap training.
Tell us how you became elite then.