The group is a joke.
http://deadspin.com/the-sub2-project-takes-credit-for-kenenisa-bekeles-near-1788186671
Ridiculous: Sub-2hr project trying to take credit for Ayana's 29:17 - Says some carb drink was responsible
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Pitsiladis was the guy running the EPO experiment.
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Previous thread (centered on Bekele though).
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7810078 -
Jos Hermens passed Bekele his bottle at 20k and 40K with the magic carbs.
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A carb drink? you mean adding sugar to water, to refuel while on the go?!?! This 2hour project may just save running!!!!
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FINALLY! wrote:
A carb drink? you mean adding sugar to water, to refuel while on the go?!?! This 2hour project may just save running!!!!
What does the brojos favorite sports scientist (Tucker, Ross) have to say about this? -
So do they target Bekele or Ayana as the first marathoner under 2-hours? Bekele is faster, but Ayana is younger.
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Did she get a bad batch before the 5000?
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Rocco S wrote:
So do they target Bekele or Ayana as the first marathoner under 2-hours? Bekele is faster, but Ayana is younger.
"Ayana was using a recovery drink, to help her recover fully and prepare to run the 5,000 a few days later. I don’t think she was using the carb drink. We were still testing that in the field in Ethiopia at that time."
She's female and didn't use the special drink -
Redundantizer wrote:
Previous thread (centered on Bekele though).
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7810078
I knew I posted a comment on this recently. Actually they denied Ayana had access to this juice. She had good old hot sauce instead! -
Ayana beat Wang's 10 k record by 14 seconds with no testing in Ethiopia.
Sub2hr. are idiots. -
What does her gender have to do with it, Mr. Sexist? Do you think that a woman can't make herself uncomfortable enough for a sub-2?
Skeets McBigly wrote:
She's female and didn't use the special drink -
so stupid wrote:
The group is a joke.
http://deadspin.com/the-sub2-project-takes-credit-for-kenenisa-bekeles-near-1788186671
When Yannis Pitsiladis was a doctoral student, he did experiments having marathon runners drink 16 oz. of heavy cream prerace to try to increase the use of fat as fuel and spare glycogen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/sports/two-hour-marathon-yannis-pitsiladis.html?_r=0
Yanni Pitsiladis is a true genius. (Yanni was given this genius idea by…Bad Wigins.)
Yanni will also be performing at the Greek Acropolis with Olympian-writer-poet-director-producer-actress-film star-Goddessâ„¢ Alexi Pappas in December.
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He might be a genius, but he would have to explain this:
"Many elite marathoners, for instance, run about 120 miles a week in training. But there was little science to support that regimen, Pitsiladis said. Perhaps 75 miles a week would work just as well for many runners — or maybe any reasonable training program would." -
I was wrong concerning beta agonist overload and muscle growth.
http://physrev.physiology.org/content/88/2/729 -
Nothing he is saying is new in principle. The only conceivable thing that is different would be this Swedish drink:
You wrote, “The unique quality of this carbohydrate product is that it enables the body to tolerate high amounts of carbohydrates, while engaged in sport/ exercise activity. Normally, as soon as the concentration of carbohydrate in a drink is increased, gastric emptying slows down, resulting in less fluid and carbohydrate delivery to the body. Maurten have found a way of getting around this problem.†Describe this normal limit on carbs, and why it’s there.
As you put more concentrated carbs into the stomach, sensors that detect osmolarity sense the body has all the carbs it needs, and it slows the rate at which fluid and carbohydrates leave the stomach. This response limited the concentration of carbohydrates you could put in a drink because higher concentrations would simply sit in the stomach and slosh around.
How did Maurten’s technology circumvent this natural limit safely?
They developed the technology—hydrogel encapsulation. The gel bonds to carbohydrates. The sensing mechanism in the stomach gets the wrong reading; it doesn’t recognize the large amount of carbohydrate because it’s surrounded by the gel. Therefore the rate of gastric emptying doesn’t slow, and a higher concentration of carbs can exit the stomach and be absorbed for use by the body. The sensing mechanism is there for a reason—under normal circumstances, it would be unwise to release that much carbohydrate into the digestive system. But running at three minutes/kilometer is not a normal situation either. During high intensity exercise like that, the muscles are using carbs very rapidly. The body’s balance is maintained.
You mentioned you kept upping the concentration of carbs. How did you decide what was the right amount?
We started off at lower concentrations; the athletes handled it very well so we increased it bit by bit. We upped it until we thought it was sufficient to fuel a marathon, and still, the athletes tolerated it very well. There was no stomach upset or feeling of fullness. We haven’t done laboratory trials yet so we don’t have the exact rate of oxidation.
I would reserve judgment over whether this drink actually makes a difference. People have made lots of claims for lots of different drink formulations over the years.
As for Ayana, compared to her 10000 in Rio, she underperformed in the 5000, so I wouldn't be bragging about that. -
fred wrote:
He might be a genius, but he would have to explain this:
"Many elite marathoners, for instance, run about 120 miles a week in training. But there was little science to support that regimen, Pitsiladis said. Perhaps 75 miles a week would work just as well for many runners — or maybe any reasonable training program would."
Yanni the Greek has so many crazy ideas it is hard to keep up. Here is another one from the article:
The Dead Sea might also be a place to experiment further with satellite technology, which Pitsiladis had tested at the Dubai Marathon in the United Arab Emirates, measuring the ground temperature of each section of the course in real time. He recently obtained 30 small thermometers that runners could swallow to record their temperatures throughout a race.
“I want to be able to link the land temperature to the body temperature,†Pitsiladis said. “What effect does it have?â€
Information could be relayed to a runner, he said, perhaps by someone following on a motorcycle who could advise, “Around the corner, it’s cool, so push it more,†or, “It’s hotter; slow down.â€
All of these ideas are speculative. But they speak to Pitsiladis’s pursuit of innovation and his refusal to surrender to orthodoxy.
“Yannis is very good at questioning the common wisdom,†said Barry Fudge, a former doctoral student of his who is the head of endurance for the British track and field federation. “At this juncture, most people would be like, ‘No, no, no, you’ve got to be crazy.’ Well, Yannis is crazy enough to do it.â€
Barry Fudge was a student of Yanni 'the Greek' Pitsiladis!
In conclusion:
1) Yanni is a complete nutcase and must be kept away from Kenenisa Bekele.
2) Jos Hermens is also giving Yanni money. I do not think this is a good idea. It is a gofundme account for Yanni and his many stupid ideas.
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/galaxy-of-stars-attend-global-sports-communications-anniversary-41484
Seb got tipsy at this 2016 gala and at the 2007 gala in Monte Carlo:
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2007+World+Athletics+Gala+bVvZN8YHBSjx.jpg
Go Lord Sebastian Coe (3:47.33 mile PR)!!!
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It's also something that Kenny the GOAT would agree to work with this guy, and that Hermens was handing him the drink at 40k with only a mile and a quarter to go.
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fred wrote:
It's also something that Kenny the GOAT would agree to work with this guy, and that Hermens was handing him the drink at 40k with only a mile and a quarter to go.
In the second part of the NYT article it states that Yanni had NOTHING to do with the training of Kenenisa Bekele in the time leading up to the London marathon. Bekele did his own training and did not tell Yanni anything about his training. That sounds right.
Wilson Kipsang somehow ran a PR 2:03:13 without the 'special carbo drink,' which some people are going to try to make a lot of money on.
The 'special carbo drink' people have provided ZERO scientific evidence of any special properties or performance benefits.
Kenenisa Bekele is the fastest person of all time for the 5K and 10K on planet earth. He just ran a 2:03:03 marathon at 4:41.6 per mile (which is just under 70.0 seconds per 400m for the entire marathon.)
The incredible running of Kenenisa Bekele for many years has had nothing to do with their 'special carbo drink'. -
Fred.
Here is a photo of Barry Fudge with 'watch holding guy' Jama Aden. Barry looks really out of shape for a Brit UK Director of Endurance.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/06/jama-aden-doping-raid-update-might-raid-impact-mo-farah-dibabas-nike/
Why did Barry let himself get like this? Barry Fudge looks like he has been eating a lot of fudge.
I think Barry Fudge might have insulin resistance.
(In Flagstaff, we use 27:41 10K guy Aaron Braun as the 'watch holding guy' for NAU XC team 8 to 10 mile tempo runs at 5:22 average mile pace…that are also at an altitude of 7,100 ft.)
