El Hefe wrote:
Probably a wise move she went from a star to a dud in one year. I would not be surprised if Jordan is next.
You need a coach that adjusts to you not the other way around. Not everyone especially young women can handle the NOP training program without breaking down.
Jordan just won the USATF 10 mile Championship. I'd say she's been on the upswing since the Olympic trials. Maybe she belongs on the roads
El Hefe wrote:
Probably a wise move she went from a star to a dud in one year. I would not be surprised if Jordan is next.
You need a coach that adjusts to you not the other way around. Not everyone especially young women can handle the NOP training program without breaking down.
Jordan just won the USATF 10 mile Championship. I'd say she's been on the upswing since the Olympic trials. Maybe she belongs on the roads
Already Awake wrote:
El Hefe wrote:Probably a wise move she went from a star to a dud in one year. I would not be surprised if Jordan is next.
You need a coach that adjusts to you not the other way around. Not everyone especially young women can handle the NOP training program without breaking down.
Jordan just won the USATF 10 mile Championship. I'd say she's been on the upswing since the Olympic trials. Maybe she belongs on the roads
Nice to see her off the track and on the roads. She can gain some confidence back and make a far better living on the roads as a pro vs track.
rojo wrote:
Bleu wrote:Wonder if Nike cut her contact back.
That's the type of stuff I want to know. The inititial deal was signed in NOv of 2013 right. So do we think it went through 2016, 2020?
There are so many possibilities as to why she's no longer wearing the NOPR singlet
- maybe reductions are kicking in and she's not happy about it.
- maybe she was very upset when she moved home last year and didn't want to run it in then but thought it would be too big of PR splash so she slowly did it.
- maybe Salazar and the NOP doesn't want her to wear it as she's not running very fast.
We literally have no idea and likely will have never have a good idea.
We still don't know why Ritz stopped competing in the NOP singlet when he moved home do we? I've heard gossip about that but have never asked him. I guess I'll ask him next time I see him. Maybe he can shed some light on the Cain situation.
He's coaching himself and lives in Michigan, so why would he compete in a NOP uniform?
waddle wrote:
[quote]W.O. Moore wrote:
There is no such thing as being a type of runner. You are what you train for.
3:26 by accident.
I haven't read this whole thread but I am sure many have corrected you on this foolish notion.
A great runner can run many distances but his/her body type and physiology will dictate for which distance he/she has the greatest potential.
Talked to her at the Mayors Cup today. She seemed really upbeat and happy. She didn't seem very comfortable in her form. Looked heavy (I mean appearance wise but more importantly in the way she ran).
Instead they're titled merit based scholarships!
Minong wrote:
17:08
If true yet another step backwards since she ran 1646 last year
Does Molly Huddle not train on the east coast? Robby Andrews?
Out-of-Wedlock-Danny wrote:
no one on the east coast is leading our national lists..too tough to train there to be ELITE
Wow this meet has really fallen off over the years and not a good day for cain. Slower than last year and still losing to people she should have no trouble handling
http://www.coolrunning.com/results/16/ma/Oct23_Boston_set1.shtml
Gale force winds earlier today in Boston might keep overall times down. Of course that would slow down the whole field, not just Cain.
I admit that I was really impressed by Cain when she blew the field away at the US Indoor after an amazing mile in New York. She appeared to be the class of the US women at that moment although Jenny Barringer wasn't running during that indoor season. She hasn't approached that form since, but she has won a world junior championship and had some great life experiences. Even if she never reaches the goals many expected, she will still have accomplished a lot as a runner.
jenapharm wrote:
Wow this meet has really fallen off over the years and not a good day for cain. Slower than last year and still losing to people she should have no trouble handling
http://www.coolrunning.com/results/16/ma/Oct23_Boston_set1.shtml
1-2 have 15:28 and 15:22 PRs, respectively. And 2nd won USATF Club XC championships last year.
I guess there is nothing really else to say here apart from we'll have to wait to see if we get more news as to why.
alanson wrote:
She made the wrong decision three years ago and it cost her a chance at a solid collegiate career. We'd all like to know the backstory - were there any injuries that can account for this. Especially the precipitous loss of speed in 2014. We've seen a lot of this in the young phenoms - Salazar has contributed another chapter to the book but he's keeping his thoughts to himself. We may be seeing it again with Cranny/Efraimson. It would be nice to know what coaching strategies to avoid with these girls - the east African ladies don't seem to suffer the same setbacks at age 19.
In return for giving up the collegiate career she should have gotten 7 figures guaranteed. I think most people on here are going to make that tradeoff.
Harambe4428 wrote:
Talked to her at the Mayors Cup today. She seemed really upbeat and happy. She didn't seem very comfortable in her form. Looked heavy (I mean appearance wise but more importantly in the way she ran).
In talking to her last year in Portland before the Trials she seemed genuinely happy and upbeat about the future. She was also way more mature than in the past. I was impressed.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIapOACskAQBefore she had been more like this amazing talent who was still a kid. Now I think she's figuring out what she wants.
rojo wrote:
How is it a fresh slate? It's the opposite of a fresh slate.
She's basically training under the guy that Alberto hired to supervise her workouts in HS. Seems like she's doing exactly what she did in HS. Except she's older and unfortunately slower.
It's a fresh slate because she is doing mentally what she wants to be doing.
She is no longer trying to work in what Alberto wants her to work in. He may have tried to change her form. Henwood is in charge of her training now. Now this may have been the case for the last year but she's settled on the East Coast and willing to public say as much.
rojo wrote:
We literally have no idea and likely will have never have a good idea.
rojo literally is an idiot and likely will never have a job
So sleazy won't be sending her any more NOPe Dope in hollowed out books? She won't still be getting doses of Oregon Juice and Centro Sauce?
3rd ========== === === ===== ======= ========================================
1 1 Liv Westphal F 24 334 16:53 FRANCE
2 2 Amy Van Alstine F 28 234 16:57 HOKA NAZ ELITE
3 3 Mary Cain F 20 279 17:08 NIKE
4 4 Rosa Moriello F 24 305 17:21 THE HEARTBREAKERS
5 5 Danielle Winslow F 23 397 17:29
6 6 Joanna Thompson F 24 352 17:35 ZAP FITNESS
7 7 Emily Durgin F 22 366 17:36
8 8 Laura Paulsen F 27 537 17:38 GREATER BOSTON TRACK CLUB
9 9 Holly Rees F 23 17 17:54 BATTLE ROAD TC
10 10 Hannah Davidson F 26 285 18:00
"I am no longer a laboratory rat on the Salazar/NOP treadmill. Life is full of opportunities and I fully intend to embrace whatever is in store for me. Most importantly, I intend to embrace those opportunities drug-free."
No More Al Stress wrote:
Good. No more of the Salazar psychosis to deal with. Too many negative vibes spewing out of Salazar.
No just John Henwood to bore her to death.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these