Majority of my HS team gets less than 5 hrs of sleep?

you have to go to a school where academics and overachieving are not as important.

pick yourself up wrote:

you have to go to a school where academics and overachieving are not as important.

+1

5 hrs is a LOT. You are prob not studying enough. To maintan my 4.0 (UW) in 7 APs i routinely pull all-nighters

Do they understand their academic performance is also suffering by not getting sleep?

I disagree with that becomes academics are extremely important. That being said they need to get more sleep definitely. Maybe try and have them shoot for 7 hours a night.

LOL No way are they studying

I go to a very good high school it is really hard for some kids but I always get enough sleep. Here is what they are doing wrong: put in least effort to get max results.

I have a 3.95 unweighted, only 1 b.

We dont have as many ap classes, but I bet a lot of them are jokes (ap phsyc, ap stats, ap human, ap gov, etc. are all VERY easy ap classes)

So im a junior and ive taken 5 (ap human, ap world, ap Lang and comp, ap biology, and ap united states history)

but i always get enough sleep, just woke up and saw this after 9 hour and 30 min night.

They should do more over the weekend, that helps, getting a little ahead.

They should do some at lunch.

They should do it in class

NOONE has that much hw.

There's nothing you really can do. But when they ask how they can get better you'll explain about sleep, stress levels, lifestyle changes etc... I coached a group of high achieving students who also partied a bit too much. Make practices as efficient as possible, give them what they need but in smaller doses. Instead of 12x400, maybe 8x400 is the most they'll do. Instead of a 20+ tempo run, 3x7 minutes of cruise intervals. Again, when, if, they ask how they can get better remind them about sleep, nutrition and their other lifestyle choices.

You have their respect but you need to adapt to them. If you don't want to then coach at another type of school.

1/10

The premise is great. You went over the top with the "should I quit coaching" and "I don't have their respect."

Kids don't get enough sleep but if they cut down on texting and youtube, they would be surprised how much time they have for homework.

Those kids must be idiots and/or not ready for AP classes. I had a 3.98 UW (I got one b during my senior year) and I rarely got under 8 hours and whenever I did it was because I had a long meet or event the night before something was due. Of my cohort of other AP students, only two of them would routinely get very little sleep, one of which procrastinated just because he liked the rush and the other would play league all night and 💤 through his first two classes.

More then likely these students are horrible at time management and can't sit down to read a textbook/do an assignment for longer than 30 minutes because they are afraid to miss messages in a facebook group chat.

agree with this 100 percent

Cubism Cubed wrote:

Those kids must be idiots and/or not ready for AP classes. I had a 3.98 UW (I got one b during my senior year) and I rarely got under 8 hours and whenever I did it was because I had a long meet or event the night before something was due. Of my cohort of other AP students, only two of them would routinely get very little sleep, one of which procrastinated just because he liked the rush and the other would play league all night and 💤 through his first two classes.

More then likely these students are horrible at time management and can't sit down to read a textbook/do an assignment for longer than 30 minutes because they are afraid to miss messages in a facebook group chat.

No sleep Insomniac wrote:

I preach sleep to parents and athletes year round but they laugh it off. Kids are in 6 AP classes, wanting to miss practice to study for the ACT, complain that a 90 minute practice is too long, etc. Then they drag at practice saying they went to bed 3 or 4 am because of tests.

We can't train like we need to. They fade in races and then cry because they think they should be faster (they should).

I can't control what they do at home. I've sent scientific articles, video clips, parent meetings, everything... And nothing changes. They believe they "have to do this" to get into college.

Do what do I do as a coach? Stick with 20 min runs and strides because their walking zombies and can do any more without getting injured?

Quit coaching? I obviously don't have their respect.

Thoughts?

Student in student athlete comes first.

6 AP classes? I think not.

Yes you should quit coaching

Yes, I deal with this also. You have to keep drilling it into them and the parents. Some will never get there but some will. You unfortunately have to build extra rest time into their schedule.

20 minutes every day with striders is a little extreme.

Most of them are up late on social media and that's the truth. Academics are not the real Elephant in the room.

True. a few of my friends have 4

Friend x (a junior):

Ap Environmental sci

AP Lit and comp

AP US

AP Seminar

Friend y (a seinor):

AP computer sci

AP Gov

AP Calc (AB)

AP Environmental sci

Friend z (a junior):

AP Calc (BC)

AP Lit and Comp

AP US

AP Physics

All play sports (x is best, y is second, z is pretty mediocre)

Friend y runs xc

All get enough sleep except friend y bc he parties.

Lol you're athletes are too soft. Most of the time if a student isn't getting enough sleep it's cause they're up on Netflix, drinking, partying, or trying to woo a girl. Sometimes (in rare cases) they actually just have a ****load of hw. Either way, if there is a race or workout the next day, they need to show up ready to grind. Sounds like they're just mentally weak.

There is no chance whatsoever that any of them are studying like you say they are.

Studying for the ACT is a sham propped up by the ACT to make more money. I got 33 without studying, the studied and got a 33 again, and I genuinely mean this when I say I'm not that overly smart, I just don't freak out when important tests roll around.

I'm a junior in college and have never stayed up studying past 11pm. Their time management skills are nonexistent if they think hs is hard. College isn't even hard.

I'm in my 30's and most adults I know don't even get that more sleep = greater performance! Lol.

gold counter wrote:

1/10

The premise is great. You went over the top with the "should I quit coaching" and "I don't have their respect."

Kids don't get enough sleep but if they cut down on texting and youtube, they would be surprised how much time they have for homework.

He deserves better than that. I say at least 5/10 just based on the quantity of responses.

Although... "They have to do this to get into college...". LOL. I went to a directional state university, and some of the kids I went to class with were total morons. If you could fog up a window you got in.

Don't quit coaching, maybe now i understand why my coach makes us do 30min easy runs and strides(I just ignore it and do 60-90 because I know its so the other kids don't get injured) but ya don't quit. If you're doing the best you can, then you're doing great. There are a multitude of reasons why kids don't get much sleep. For example I couldn't sleep for more than 5-6 hours the past week, and I only got 2-3 the two days before our race. Why? I don't really know but i cut the fruits and sugary foods 4 hours before bed yesterday and I slept like a a baby. School isn't the kids fault,them not getting enough sleep usually is a lifestyle problem(like mine, i can almost guarantee the reason kids aren't tired off of 4-5 hours because of all the dates,apples etc.)

All in all I suggest you have a meeting with them on an off practice day and explain to them everything they should know in one session. Make it like school as well. Give them relatively simple homework on it. Make them write notes etc..

I can assure you they have respect for you.