Official 2016 Wisco/Pre-Nats Discussion Thread

78 is a VERY good score for NAU. Lowest since Wisconsin scored 66 back in 2011. That Wisconsin team went on to win the national title.

For perspective, Syracuse scored 101 last year and went on to win NCAAs.

The "real" Grant Fisher was 4th...top sophomore

4 685 Grant Fisher SO Stanford 23:55.2 4:49

Should Stanford pull the RS on Ratcliffe? It wouldn't have been enough to make a difference today, but adding him would give them a bit of needed depth. (Their #6 was quite a bit back from #5)

Pull the RS? wrote:

Should Stanford pull the RS on Ratcliffe? It wouldn't have been enough to make a difference today, but adding him would give them a bit of needed depth. (Their #6 was quite a bit back from #5)

Chris Miltenberg told Flotrack that Ratcliffe will most likely run Pac-12s.

And Baylor was the first team to have 4 in (they were in second through 4 runners). Unfortunately, that 1 minute plus gap between 4 and 5 is a killer.

Does anyone have women's 2000m splits team scores? Thank you

Tnac wrote:

Grant Fischer 30th!!!???

Is he done???

Figured he would be way closer to McGorty after that WOW. So much for Stanford and their "Big 3"

What race were you watching? Maybe McGorty should be closer to Fischer next time haha. But man, I loved watching Justyn Knight absolutely destroy everyone in the last 200 though. That was nuts.

Flotrack feed not working. Ugh...will just watch the replay.

Results please wrote:

Does anyone have women's 2000m splits team scores? Thank you

Its on the first page.

WOMEN'S TEAM SCORES - 2K

Place Team Points

1 Washington 71

2 UCLA 223

3 Providence 226

4 New Mexico 251

5 North Carolina St. 258

6 Georgetown 269

7 Michigan State 278

8 Notre Dame 288

9 BYU 298

10 Baylor 301

11 Villanova 322

12 Boise State 329

13 Harvard 359

14 Penn 377

15 Yale 419

16 SMU 422

16 Minnesota 422

18 San Francisco 429

19 Iowa State 456

20 Utah 467

21 Boston College 469

22 Florida State 512

23 Tulsa 519

24 Syracuse 569

25 Wisconsin 601

26 Vanderbilt 609

27 Weber State 620

28 North Carolina 728

29 Northern Arizona 773

30 Columbia 776

31 Princeton 827

Place Bib Name Yr Team Time Pace

1 417 Charlotte Prouse SO Washington 6:53.1 5:33

2 298 Sarah Collins SR Providence 6:53.2 5:33

3 277 Anna Rohrer SO Notre Dame 6:53.3 5:33

4 238 Alice Wright JR New Mexico 6:53.4 5:33

5 118 Brenna Peloquin SO Boise State 6:53.4 5:33

6 175 Courtney Smith JR Harvard 6:53.6 5:33

7 124 Isabelle Kennedy SO Boston College 6:53.6 5:33

8 107 Maggie Montoya SR Baylor 6:53.7 5:33

9 237 Calli Thackery SR New Mexico 6:53.7 5:33

10 415 Amy-Eloise Neale JR Washington 6:54.0 5:34

11 317 Charlotte Taylor SR San Francisco 6:54.5 5:34

12 324 Hannah Miller FR SMU 6:54.5 5:34

13 364 Claire Markey FR UCLA 6:55.0 5:34

14 102 Lindsey Bradley SO Baylor 6:55.0 5:34

15 414 Kaitlyn Neal FR Washington 6:55.3 5:35

16 399 Sara Tsai SO Vanderbilt 6:55.6 5:35

17 412 Katie Knight JR Washington 6:55.8 5:35

18 151 Carmela Cardama Baez SO Florida State 6:55.9 5:35

19 438 Hailey Whetten SR Weber State 6:55.9 5:35

20 137 Yesenia Silva SR BYU 6:56.1 5:35

What were the other team scores?

Ivy League only results.

Places Score Through 2 3 and 4

Penn 41 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 19 7 12 19

Columbia 45 2, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16 10 20 31

Princeton 51 1, 6, 9, 17, 18, 20, 21 7 16 33

Ivy Place Actual Place Name Year School Time Pace

1 19 Conor Lundy FR Princeton 24:18.4 4:54

2 34 Jack Boyle SR Columbia 24:27.2 4:56

3 46 Brendan Shearn Penn 24:33.3 4:57

4 56 Nicholas Tuck Penn 24:39.3 4:58

5 103 Christopher Luciano Penn 25:02.6 5:03

6 119 William Paulson JR Princeton 25:11.9 5:05

7 124 Christopher Hatler Penn 25:13.8 5:05

8 125 Max Norris SR Columbia 25:14.6 5:05

9 126 Noah Kauppila JR Princeton 25:16.1 5:05

10 128 Brian Zabilski SO Columbia 25:17.6 5:06

11 130 Tal Braude SO Columbia 25:18.2 5:06

12 159 Ross Wilson Penn 25:35.7 5:09

13 164 Patrick Hally Penn 25:43.9 5:11

14 165 Ryan Thomas JR Columbia 25:46.0 5:11

15 167 Spencer Haik JR Columbia 25:48.5 5:12

16 181 Rob Napolitano SR Columbia 26:32.8 5:21

17 183 William Bertrand SR Princeton 26:33.5 5:21

18 187 Garrett O'Toole JR Princeton 26:43.6 5:23

19 188 Kevin Monogue Penn 26:47.5 5:24

20 189 Perrin Hagge FR Princeton 26:47.9 5:24

21 198 Wolfgang Beck JR Princeton 28:06.0 5:40

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FMA6IegHflr-CczD4GhajKZmfJjCpnlerrS4FhNt3YA/edit#gid=161696618

why are Letsrun.com and Flotrack always underestimate the NAU cross country team? Its not only this year, almost every year. This year flotrack ranked them #10 and Letsrun ranked them #7. They look fool now NAU the # 10 ranked team beating the # 1 ranked team by 40 point.

Team wise, the Baylor women were a big surprise They ranked only 21st finished 5th overall in a field that included 17 ranked teams and 6 other teams receiving votes. Other teams that did better than expected included #11 New Mexico (finished 4th), #19 San Francisco (finished 6th), #23 Utah (finished 7th).

Based on rankings, the Michigan State women and Boise State women disappointed. #6 Michigan State was the 4th highest ranked team coming in but they only finished 19th today. #10 Boise State was just one spot better in 18th. Boise State’s disappointment is easy to pinpoint. Allie Ostrander didn’t run. Had she run and finished up front, Boise State would have scored 270 and been 7th.

Here are the women's results but I've added in each team's national rank after their name.

Place Team (NR) Points

1 Washington (#4) 124

2 North Carolina St. (#3) 166

3 Providence (#1) 170

4 New Mexico (#11) 207

5 Baylor (#21) 228

6 San Francisco (#19) 258

7 Utah (#23) 287

8 Iowa State (#26) 309

9 Notre Dame (#28) 313

10 BYU (#15) 318

11 Yale (#17) 335

12 Villanova (RV) 345

13 UCLA (RV) 348

14 Penn (#26) 354

15 Harvard (#29) 357

16 Minnesota (RV) 385

17 SMU (#24) 388

18 Boise State (#10) 404

19 Michigan State (#6) 439

20 Syracuse (#20) 454

21 Wisconsin (unranked) 473

22 Georgetown (#18) 525

23 Weber State (unranked) 588

24 Northern Arizona (unranked) 590

25 Tulsa (RV) 602

26 Florida State (unranked) 606

27 Boston College (unranked) 644

28 Vanderbilt (RV) 650

29 Princeton (RV) 718

30 North Carolina (unranked) 766

31 Columbia (unranked) 832

Miltenburg sucks.

He had McGorty run 8 x 800m and Fischer only 6 on that FloTrack workout, thinking that McGorty is the "stud" on the team... well, Fischer takes him DOWN!!

Miltenberg won't do that again.

jTjg wrote:

Miltenburg sucks.

He had McGorty run 8 x 800m and Fischer only 6 on that FloTrack workout, thinking that McGorty is the "stud" on the team... well, Fischer takes him DOWN!!

Miltenberg won't do that again.

C'mon, think. Even if Fisher (correct spelling) is better, McGorty is a year or two farther along in his development. There are perfectly valid reasons why Fisher might be doing shorter workouts.

jTjg wrote:

Miltenburg sucks.

He had McGorty run 8 x 800m and Fischer only 6 on that FloTrack workout, thinking that McGorty is the "stud" on the team... well, Fischer takes him DOWN!!

Miltenberg won't do that again.

Or it could be, you know, that McGorty has more college seasons under his belt. Not shocking.

Haters will find anything to gripe about, though.

jTjg wrote:

Miltenburg sucks.

He had McGorty run 8 x 800m and Fischer only 6 on that FloTrack workout, thinking that McGorty is the "stud" on the team... well, Fischer takes him DOWN!!

Miltenberg won't do that again.

So you aren't a coach.

Just because Runner A is faster than Runner B does not mean that Runner A should do more volume than Runner B in intervals, long runs, or any other aspect of training. Training is individualized. Think about it and study it brother.

And he probably will do it again.

BTW, it seems to be working, right?

I'm actually a big fan of another team- but telling it like it is.

Right, smart coaching like building him up gradually, some pole level didn't get that principle unfortunately, and we also don't know how Sean was feeling today coulda been sick or just a little tired for all we know as well, and grant being faster anyway doesn't mean he should do the same workout everyone is different.

Naturalrunner wrote:

why are Letsrun.com and Flotrack always underestimate the NAU cross country team? Its not only this year, almost every year. This year flotrack ranked them #10 and Letsrun ranked them #7. They look fool now NAU the # 10 ranked team beating the # 1 ranked team by 40 point.

Can you please not put the words letsrun and flotrack in the same sentence?

I've got a reputation to uphold. ;)

Here are the men's team results with their national rankings added so you can see who impressed and who flopped.

Team (rank) points

Place Team Points

1 Northern Arizona (#1) 78

2 Stanford (#11) 118

3 BYU (#3) 144

4 Syracuse (#2) 167

5 Iona (#8) 240

6 UCLA (#27) 246

7 Portland (#7) 257

8 Iowa State (#14) 260

9 Washington St. (RV) 283

10 Colorado St. (#21) 298

11 Wisconsin (#16) 313

12 Southern Utah (RV) 347

13 Tulsa (#26) 367

14 Georgetown (#17) 399

15 Boise State (#18) 413

16 Washington (#23) 416

17 Eastern Michigan (unranked) 421

18 Michigan State (#22) 436

19 Providence (#24) 486

19 Penn (#25) 486

21 Florida State (unranked) 524

22 Minnesota (RV) 540

23 South Dakota St. (unranked) 555

24 North Carolina St. (RV) 578

25 Columbia (RV) 582

26 Eastern Kentucky (#15) 599

27 Illinois (#29) 615

28 Princeton (RV) 634

29 Texas A&M (unranked) 641

30 North Carolina (unranked) 826

A bunch of Pac 12 teams led by UCLA and Washington State both ran much better than expected. 19 ranked teams and six other teams receiving votes in the national polls competed in the men’s race. Yet #27 UCLA managed to finish 6th overall and unranked Washington State was 11th overall. #11 Stanford finished 2nd overall although most pundits thought Stanford was way underrated as the #11 team in the country (they are #4 in the LRC fan poll).

Unranked Southern Utah deserves praise for finishing 12th as does unranked Eastern Michigan who was 17th overall - beating 5 ranked teams.

#15 Eastern Kentucky was the biggest disappointment as they were just 26th. Despite finishing 26th, Eastern Michigan actually beat a ranked team as #29 Illinois was 27th.