WADA announces that ADHD and eating disorder drug Lisdexamfetamine is banned starting on January 1

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  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 09/30/2016 10:47pm CDT
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    WADA is tightening up what asthma drugs are allowed as described here:

    http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1042157/clarifications-to-use-of-asthma-drugs-among-changes-to-wada-prohibited-list-for-2017

    "Tighter regulations on the use of asthma drugs are among changes to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) List of Prohibited Substances and Methods for 2017.

    Lisdexamfetamine, a drug used for treating attention deficit hyperactivity (ADHD) disorder and eating disorders, is also added to the banned stimulants list.

    Opioid analgesic nicomorphine is a new addition to the list of banned narcotics.

    The new list, published online before coming into force on January 1, makes clear that salbutomol, salmertor and formoterol are the only permitted "beta-2agonists" which can be used to treat asthma."
  • Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine)
    3 years ago 09/30/2016 10:55pm CDT
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    Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine):

    An effect that many people notice from Vyvanse is that after using the drug consistently, they start to lose weight. It is well known that dextroamphetamine is capable of suppressing appetite, increasing energy levels, and speeding up the metabolism. When the CNS (central nervous system) becomes stimulated from Vyvanse, a surge of the neurotransmitter dopamine is released.

    It is believed that the increase in dopamine is responsible for making people feel “satiated†without having eaten. The appetite suppression when compounded with a quicker metabolism is a quick recipe for weight loss. As of February 2015, this drug was actually approved by the FDA for the treatment of binge-eating disorder. Although it can help control certain eating disorders, using Vyvanse solely for the purpose of weight loss is generally an unhealthy long-term strategy.

    MORE: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OlG1LzWIW8wJ:mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/05/vyvanse-weight-loss-a-common-experience/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
  • Dr. Obvious
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 12:14am CDT
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    Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) wrote:

    Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine):

    An effect that many people notice from Vyvanse is that after using the drug consistently, they start to lose weight. It is well known that dextroamphetamine is capable of suppressing appetite, increasing energy levels, and speeding up the metabolism. When the CNS (central nervous system) becomes stimulated from Vyvanse, a surge of the neurotransmitter dopamine is released.

    It is believed that the increase in dopamine is responsible for making people feel “satiated†without having eaten. The appetite suppression when compounded with a quicker metabolism is a quick recipe for weight loss. As of February 2015, this drug was actually approved by the FDA for the treatment of binge-eating disorder. Although it can help control certain eating disorders, using Vyvanse solely for the purpose of weight loss is generally an unhealthy long-term strategy.

    MORE: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OlG1LzWIW8wJ:mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/05/vyvanse-weight-loss-a-common-experience/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Shut up and take my money!
  • Beat The System (BTS)
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 12:20am CDT
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    Lisdexamfetamine, a drug used for treating attention deficit hyperactivity (ADHD) disorder and eating disorders, is also added to the banned stimulants list.

    Can't you just get a TUE for this? ADHD is rather subjectively diagnosed, and doesn't have much more of an indication than being in the bottom 10%-20% percentile amongst USAers on some test (which you can either try to fake or take multiple times until failing).
  • Really big deck
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 5:44am CDT
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    Some had a TUE for it in the recent fancybears release. Not sure if they are banning it outright or what... won't stop people using dexamphetamine itself, nor methylphenidate.
  • no delete
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 11:19am CDT
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    F U C K
    YOU
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  • Dixout 4 harambe
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 11:34am CDT
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    I've taken vyvanse and adderall both without Rx. Vyvanse (lisdexamfetamine) seems more mellow, less of a spike, works a little longer, and I just seem a little duller. Just recreationally though, not to study or anything. Adderall is great for studying, so maybe I'll try a vyvanse next time I crack a book and see how it compares. Theres blow too but I keep that for the summer and I don't really want to study when I'm hitting rails, drinking beers and ripping heaters on a saturday night.
  • doping NOPers
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 11:37am CDT
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    Don't worry. elfie rupp, roid chacne centro, roid rage rowbury, doorbell mo and beetjuice hasay have plenty of ways to get around the tests and plenty of bribe money to pay the testers.
  • childhood disease
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 11:53am CDT
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    ADHD is a childhood disease that people get over before they are adults unless they make absolutely zero effort to manage their own condition. There's really no reason for anyone in college or later to need to medicate their lack of attention.
  • Weight Losers
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 11:55am CDT
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    It seems to work well as a thinning drug.
  • Prodrug and all
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 12:08pm CDT
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    Dixout 4 harambe wrote:
    Vyvanse (lisdexamfetamine) seems more mellow, less of a spike, works a little longer, and I just seem a little duller.

    That's the whole point of Vyvanse. It's an extended release stimulant, designed to have a slower build up, and stick around a lot longer.

    Vyvanse is what's called a prodrug; it's doesn't have any effect unless it's metabolized in the body. It's formed by adding an L-lysine molecule to a dextroamphetamine molecule. As the body metabolizes Vyvanse, the L-lysine is stripped off, leaving the dextroamphetamine. When that happens, the stimulant kicks in. Because metabolizing takes time, Vyvanse is longer acting, etc.

    A better comparison would Adderall XR not Adderall.
  • Prodrug and all
    3 years ago 10/01/2016 12:13pm CDT
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    childhood disease wrote:
    ADHD is a childhood disease that people get over before they are adults unless they make absolutely zero effort to manage their own condition. There's really no reason for anyone in college or later to need to medicate their lack of attention.

    Citation?

    ADHD is obviously misdiagnosed and abused. But those who have it, do not "get over" it ever. Some may learn to manage it without medication, but many do not. Even those who need medication also need to learn how to manage it. As the doctors say, "Pills do not teach skills."
  • grow up disease
    3 years ago 10/02/2016 1:57pm CDT
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    You are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. ADHD is a disease that stays with you for life for most people and lots of time they only find out later on in life that they have it. It's not as easy to diagnose, especially if the child isn't hyperactive. Without medication, they live with a huge handicap that makes it very hard for them to live, especially in a society like now that has a ton of distractions
  • RunRunRun30
    3 years ago 10/02/2016 3:18pm CDT
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    at what point do we call it a disease though and not appropriately being disciplined and raised as a child. misbehavior and improper discipline seems to be rampant in today's youth. I think many people use ADHD as a way out from just disciplining their child and raising them with manners and respect and instead just say here take a pill and fix them...hence never learning proper manners, respect and how to deal with things. they get instant gratification with a pill.
  • Skips Arm Day
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    3 years ago 10/02/2016 3:26pm CDT
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    childhood disease wrote:

    ADHD is a childhood disease that people get over before they are adults unless they make absolutely zero effort to manage their own condition. There's really no reason for anyone in college or later to need to medicate their lack of attention.

    As someone diagnosed with attention deficit (and diagnosed rigorously), this comment displays a lot of ignorance about how the condition works. While it is true that as children with ADHD become adults with ADHD they must learn coping mechanisms which take maturity and experience to learn, the effects of ADHD on your ability to perform certain tasks are very real and very different from non-ADHD adults. Compared to my peers, it takes me vastly more time and effort to do certain tasks like writing and making complex plans, and the weaknesses are obvious when working with people of my same intelligence and skill. It REALLY sucks being dependent on a medication to do the things I am passionate about, but there is no way I'd be able to finish these kinds of tasks in a reasonable time frame otherwise. But even though meds help, they are not a fix-all; I have to work extraordinarily hard to stay organized and disciplined - no medication can teach you those things.

    That aside, I think the WADA's decision to ban lisdexamfetamine is absolutely correct. I'm surprised it wasn't already on the banned substances list, but someone taking Vyvanse would already test positive for amphetamines anyway since lisdexamfetamine is simply dextroamphetamine with a lysine group attached. It is is directly converted to dextroamphetamine (same as Adderall) in the blood stream.

    From my own experience, amphetamines do have small but significant effects on distance running performance. When I compare my own performances on vs off the meds, I do think they make one "feel" stronger/more energetic much more than they actually make you become, but that small psychological difference could make all the difference in a race. Subjectively speaking, I would say the performance effect is on par with and not greater than that of caffeine. In sprinting and skill-based sports (including gymnastics), however, I suspect the performance enhancement effect would be greater.

    For elite athletes I think the fairest thing to do would be to allow legitimate prescribed use of these kinds of stimulants outside of competition with TUE's, but prohibit use by anyone in competition. Personally, if I were able to ever get my knee working again and trained to the point where I was a contender to win races, I would not feel comfortable taking my prescription on race day out of concern for fairness.
  • Wait Loss
    3 years ago 10/02/2016 3:30pm CDT
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    They are using ADHD as an excuse to get the weight thinning effects of the drug. This has nothing to do with legit ADHD, just gamers of the system. A TUE is meaningless because it is well know that you just need the right/willing doctor to grant you one.