Montreal bans pit bulls. Let's take a lesson from our smarter northern neighbors.

From Montreal Gazette:

"In the last 30 years in Quebec, she said, five other people have been killed by dogs, and all five cases involved dogs from the husky-breed family."

Shouldn't cops be banned if they kill at the same rate as pit bulls?

my part wrote:

I've fostered more pittys then years you've been alive that have come from cruelty cases, dog fighting, neglect, etc. and never once have I felt threatened or attacked by one. PIttys also have one of the best temperaments out of any dog breed. Once again, people fall for the main stream medias opinion and can't think on their own. Did schools eliminate critical thinking? Have you ever noticed in articles about dog attacks they use key words when a pitbull attacks vs when any other dog attacks a person? Take notice you might actually learn something

no pitt bulls wrote:

It's time to get these killers off our streets. Good work Montreal.

While running or cycling I have had numerous aggressive dogs attempt to attack. When cycling I have been able to speed up to get away. Running I've had to stand my ground. 90 percent of the time it has been pitbulls. Many times I've had dogs chase me, but the pits usually come growling and snapping at me. Only actually bitten once, after which I bought an extendable baton and wailed on the dog the next time it came after me. These instances all happened in rural areas, with hillybilly/ white trash type owners, and the dogs were running lose.

I have encountered plenty of friendly pits, but I would never let my kids near one, or anyone else's for that matter. All it takes is one bite to do serious damage, and I have no problem with shooting them if they are in my yard or beating the living crap out of them if they attack me running.

Counter point wrote:

lucas tanner wrote:

I live in the Chicago area and often see young women with a PitBull on a leash. This makes her chances of being assaulted go from relatively high to basically zero. I'm not sure I would want to see them banned.

How many of those women know they have zero chance of restraining their dog should it decide to attack something (like an innocent runner)?

That's a valid point. Both the pros and cons have to be weighed. Of course there is no way of knowing how many of those women would have been attacked if not for their dogs.

Inconvenient Fact wrote:

From Montreal Gazette:

"In the last 30 years in Quebec, she said, five other people have been killed by dogs, and all five cases involved dogs from the husky-breed family."

Moreover, the woman whose death inspired the Montreal pit bull ban wasn't actually mauled by a pit bull at all. It was a boxer.

Ban What Scares Me wrote:

Inconvenient Fact wrote:

From Montreal Gazette:

"In the last 30 years in Quebec, she said, five other people have been killed by dogs, and all five cases involved dogs from the husky-breed family."

Moreover, the woman whose death inspired the Montreal pit bull ban wasn't actually mauled by a pit bull at all. It was a boxer.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/breed-of-dog-in-deadly-montreal-attack-takes-a-bite-out-of-the-case-for-a-pit-bull-ban-1.3009859

The dog, named "Lucifer," was registered as a boxer. The dog's owner must be destroyed as well.

In 2015, 97% of all dog bite deaths were caused by Pitbulls (28), their close cousin, American Bulldogs (2) and Rottweilers (3). So, Pitbulls accounted for 82% of the dog bit fatalities, despite the breed being just 6.6% of the dog population in America. From 2005 to 2015, Pitbulls and Rottweilers combined to account for 76% of all dog bite fatalities. 41% of the deaths in 2015 were children 9 years of age and younger. These dogs are not like other dogs. A lot of dogs look at small children with the mannerisms of seeing somebody who wants to play with them, excited. Pitbulls stare straight at them as prey. And you can see a version of what they do vividly represented in the bulldog's fight with White Fang in the Jack London book. They were bred to feel no pain and lock their jaws onto their victim. There have been cases where people were hammering at them with a baseball bat to make them let go of a four year old and it wouldn't work. They have to be shot.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php?gclid=CKyWoJGet88CFUFbhgodahkJRA

not wrong wrote:

not ex wrote:

On your next run you can run by ten houses with loose pit bulls or ten houses will loose golden retrievers.

Yeah, it hurts. Sorry.

Hey fvckface! I've never been lunged at or viciously barked at by any pit bulls during any of my runs but I've been been by little peace of shit "cute" dogs. Just a few weeks ago I was almost bitten by some dumb little white dog. Lucky for me it was small enough for me to jump over.

Or maybe your awesome athletic ability allows you to leap tiny heights. and no luck was involved.

Watch any pit bull attack compilation on youtube. it's just bizarre the way they go into zombie killer mode and can't snap out of it.

There is one where a couple of them attack some random guy and it goes on forever and long after they are finally separated and the guy is bleeding profusely off to the side the dogs suddenly appear again and go at him again.

When one attacks or latches on only efforts to kill it should be made. It's pointless to do anything else really. The switch has ben flipped.

If it's cited on the internet, it must be true! If we can't shoot the dogs, let's kill them with baseball bats!

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/breed-specific-legislation/fact_sheets/breed-specific-legislation-no-basis-in-science.html

Oh, o.k. That link gives no evidence whatsoever that could account for the massive difference in dog bite deaths. Pits account for just 6.6% of American dogs, while being responsible for roughly 3/4ths of the dog bite fatalities. They have killed over 200 children alone since 1980.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/2016/04/25/7-year-old-in-critical-condition-after-dog-attack/

http://www.wtoc.com/story/27785548/three-recovering-after-darien-dog-attack

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2016/08/2016-dog-bite-fatality-pit-bull-kills-woman-in-georgia.html

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/437130707555035134/

http://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/children-killed-by-pit-bulls.php

Shoot What Scares Me wrote:

If it's cited on the internet, it must be true! If we can't shoot the dogs, let's kill them with baseball bats!

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/breed-specific-legislation/fact_sheets/breed-specific-legislation-no-basis-in-science.html

Whatever it takes if they are mauling something or latched on.

Ban What Scares Me wrote:

Inconvenient Fact wrote:

From Montreal Gazette:

"In the last 30 years in Quebec, she said, five other people have been killed by dogs, and all five cases involved dogs from the husky-breed family."

Moreover, the woman whose death inspired the Montreal pit bull ban wasn't actually mauled by a pit bull at all. It was a boxer.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/breed-of-dog-in-deadly-montreal-attack-takes-a-bite-out-of-the-case-for-a-pit-bull-ban-1.3009859

People in Montreal routinely lie on the registration forms because a lot of land lords ban tenants from owning pit bulls and will evict people with pit bulls.

I was attacked by two pit bulls on a run once. They were off leash walking with their owner on the other side of the street. They crossed the street and came walking up to me. Knowing that if I kept running, they would just run after me, I slowed down and started walking very slowly so the owner could come get them. As soon as the came up to me they started barking and biting with no warning. One sank its teeth into my calf. The other jumped up and bit me on the back, leaving a 4 inch gash. I immediately started yelling at them as loud as I could and stomping my feet at their heads as hard as I could. That scared them enough that they stopped trying to bite me and were just barking at me. Their owner finally got control of them and started the usual "oh, they have never done this...they are so sweet ' bs. The owner ran off when I tried to flag down a police car going by. Looking back at the attack, I am very lucky to be alive. Had I fallen to the ground or reacted differently, those dogs would have been able to land much more devastating bites. The owner had no control and there was no one else around to help.

I have had dogs for 40 years. The most aggressive was a German Shepherd mix. She never was aggressive with humans, but would get into fights with other dogs. The fights were all show and were usually mutual combat (i.e. other dog was standing ground). She never broke the skin and was easily separated by pulling on her hind legs.

Pit bulls do not get into fights. They just attack. I saw a pit bull attack a dog at a dog park. It just ran up and latched on to the other dog's neck. The other dog just started squealing and trying to get away. It took four people to get the pit bull to release the other dog. I am not sure the other dog survived. It was a mess of blood all over the ground after the attack.

It is really sickening the way people have tried to defend this awful dog breed. It has been well documented that pit bulls have a very specific attack instinct that includes unprovoked attacks, latching on to kill prey and extremely high pain tolerance during attacks (i.e. can get them off by hitting them in the head with a metal pipe). There is no social utility in pit bull ownership. There are dozens of other dog breeds and kennels are full of lots of non-pit bulls that need homes. And there is absolutely no reason why one person's particular pet fancy should be superior to the safety of the general public.

themanontherun wrote:

My "lab mix" will never be affected by any bans on pitbulls ;)

If your lab mix is a pit bull, it will be put to sleep with the rest of them.

pitbulls are great. this thread is idiotic. i've only ever been chased or whatever by yappy little cat-sized dogs on runs. guess we should ban those too

Precious Roy wrote:

It is really sickening the way people have tried to defend this awful dog breed. It has been well documented that pit bulls have a very specific attack instinct that includes unprovoked attacks, latching on to kill prey and extremely high pain tolerance during attacks (i.e. can get them off by hitting them in the head with a metal pipe). There is no social utility in pit bull ownership. There are dozens of other dog breeds and kennels are full of lots of non-pit bulls that need homes. And there is absolutely no reason why one person's particular pet fancy should be superior to the safety of the general public.

This sums up the whole issue with pit bulls.

Oh yes it will wrote:

themanontherun wrote:

My "lab mix" will never be affected by any bans on pitbulls ;)

If your lab mix is a pit bull, it will be put to sleep with the rest of them.

Fat head + big chest + floppy ears + short hair = pit bull

And they don't feel pain! Jack London said so.

If you ever do need to get a dog off someone that they have latched on to, jam your finder as far as you can into their ear. This will cause them to lose their grip. Be prepared that they might turn around and try to bite you.

Another option is to break one of their legs. Grab their upper leg with one hand and just above the foot with the other and then with all your might and as quickly as you can bend up with the hand near the foot in the opposite direction the knee allows.

Hopefully none of you ever have to do this, but it's always best to be prepared.

no pitt bulls wrote:

It's time to get these killers off our streets. Good work Montreal.

I get it: tragedy leads to overreaction, check. So, the city has taken the position that owning a pit bull is similar to owning a bengal tiger. The other extreme would be to believe that owning a pit bull is similar to owning a Chihuahua. The truth is somewhere in the middle, obviously...

What would be a reasonable position and solution, then?