Steve Cram - TUE - nothing to see here!

HRE wrote:

Well, evidently exercise induced asthma is a thing. But it's a new thing and it's emergence as a thing does seem to have coincided with the availability of a lot of PEDs. I wonder why guys like Shorter, Rodgers, Seko, Bedford,Ryun. etc.. ad infinitum all managed to do all that training without developing it.

Steve Ovett had it. Athletes just managed it with an altered warm-up routine or used the medications they've had for it for decades.

Kids had inhalers 30 years ago at least.

Email relations wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

You must be mistaken, my friend! The Letsrun doctors and PED expert historians have stated that exercise induced asthma is either not real or PED related! You, are a doper!

Exercise induced asthma is something that happens when its VERY cold out. It is not something that would affect athletes in competition.

Um, apart from being wrong about the cold ever hear of cross country skiing?

Email relations wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

You must be mistaken, my friend! The Letsrun doctors and PED expert historians have stated that exercise induced asthma is either not real or PED related! You, are a doper!

Exercise induced asthma is something that happens when its VERY cold out. It is not something that would affect athletes in competition.

I don't know why people like you even bother posting.

Have you heard of Google, or even just common sense?

Exercise induced asthma, not cold air induced asthma. I'm sure you probably knew a guy that got it when running in the cold or some shit and that's what you have based all your ideas off. I'm sure cold air makes asthma worse.

But do you really think you are smarter than all the doctors and scientists that have looked at these cases? You think none of them would have said "hang on a minute, exercise induced asthma only happens in VERY cold air!!!"

Why have I never seen any of these athletes have an issue with their asthma? The people I know who have asthma are affected on a day to day basis, the only elite I've ever seen pull out of an event due to asthma issues was Haille. Why did we not see numerous problems at the Beijing Olympics? One of the most polluted cities in the world and still we saw asthmatics excelling, the medication must be truly amazing.

crap shoot wrote:

Why have I never seen any of these athletes have an issue with their asthma? The people I know who have asthma are affected on a day to day basis, the only elite I've ever seen pull out of an event due to asthma issues was Haille. Why did we not see numerous problems at the Beijing Olympics? One of the most polluted cities in the world and still we saw asthmatics excelling, the medication must be truly amazing.

Alright another medical expert here.

They take their medication.

Sure, kids had inhalers thirty or more years ago. But they were just "normal" sick kids and as someone else pointed out, they had symptoms that appeared at all sorts of times, not just when exerting themselves badly, that lead to their diagnosis and treatment. I forget which Olympics it was, maybe Atlanta or Athens, when one of the US team doctors whose job involved listing medications that our athletes were bringing to the Games with them commented that he saw fewer medications when he was at rest homes than he saw with those athletes.

crap shoot wrote:

Why have I never seen any of these athletes have an issue with their asthma? The people I know who have asthma are affected on a day to day basis, the only elite I've ever seen pull out of an event due to asthma issues was Haille. Why did we not see numerous problems at the Beijing Olympics? One of the most polluted cities in the world and still we saw asthmatics excelling, the medication must be truly amazing.

The meds *are* amazing! Most people don't realize that in US, gold standard asthma treatment is *NOT* bronchodilators like Ventolin/Salbutamol, it's inhaled anti-inflammatory steroid. It dampens the inflammation that is related to asthma attacks, similar to how steroid cream dampens eczema inflammation. If their dosage is correct, day to day these people appear fine but...attacks often occur during sleep when airways are resting, by environmental triggers (pollens, virus etc) and after intense exercise. Ventolin is only supposed to be used "as-needed" because you can develop steroid resistance, though a lot of athletes puff before a race just in case. In US, on avg 9 people die per day from asthma, in UK it's 3 people so i can understand taking this stuff "just in case".

Can you build muscle from these steroids? Not a chance, different pathway, and the dosage is micrograms (millionths of a gram) compared to body builder dosages which are massive and injected into bloodstream or oral, not inhaled. Many modern asthma meds are inactive pro-drugs that don't activate until they hit epithelial tissues, and also have very high first pass removal by the kidneys.

Dr Asthma wrote:

Can you build muscle from these steroids? Not a chance, different pathway, and the dosage is micrograms (millionths of a gram) compared to body builder dosages which are massive and injected into bloodstream or oral, not inhaled. Many modern asthma meds are inactive pro-drugs that don't activate until they hit epithelial tissues, and also have very high first pass removal by the kidneys.

Micrograms, so what, I can just take multi doses of the stuff, lift weights and build up massive guns and ammo.

HRE wrote:

Sure, kids had inhalers thirty or more years ago. But they were just "normal" sick kids and as someone else pointed out, they had symptoms that appeared at all sorts of times, not just when exerting themselves badly, that lead to their diagnosis and treatment. I forget which Olympics it was, maybe Atlanta or Athens, when one of the US team doctors whose job involved listing medications that our athletes were bringing to the Games with them commented that he saw fewer medications when he was at rest homes than he saw with those athletes.

Incorrect. Those kids were exempted from exerting themselves.

I had EIA for as long as I can remember but I was too proud to resort to meds. I learned how to warm-up properly to get around it.

User abuser wrote:

Micrograms, so what, I can just take multi doses of the stuff, lift weights and build up massive guns and ammo.

You will pass it in no time if you do that with Ventolin, school kids do this for fun.

With anti-inflammatory steroids you'll mess up your pituitary axis, and then you'll need a TUE for that!

Bjorn "cough" Dahlie wrote:

Incorrect. Those kids were exempted from exerting themselves.

I had EIA for as long as I can remember but I was too proud to resort to meds. I learned how to warm-up properly to get around it.

Good pt, what kind of warm up do you do?

Someone who knows what they are talking about.

Makes perfect sense that it would not be possible to get significant systemic effects from an inhaler. It is designed to affect the walls of the bronchii only. You'd have to pump so many canisters in you it's just impractical for a start.

Michael Rasmussen says otherwise, he says elite sportsmen use steroid asthma medication to strip body fat, he says that with regular usage in the run up to a grand tour he could shift 1-2 kg's.

Look, the plain truth is that the brits have a state sponsored cheating program. Doorbell Mo, Bobblehead Paula, Grice, Wiggins, Froome, Armitsted - all of them doping cheaters.

Dope cheats out !!!!

brit dopers wrote:

Look, the plain truth is that the brits have a state sponsored cheating program. Doorbell Mo, Bobblehead Paula, Grice, Wiggins, Froome, Armitsted - all of them doping cheaters.

Dope cheats out !!!!

^^^This

TUEs are the least of problem with the Brits. They use each and every PED ever thought up by NOP. They lie, cover-up and bribe shamelessly.

brit dopers wrote:

brit dopers wrote:

Look, the plain truth is that the brits have a state sponsored cheating program. Doorbell Mo, Bobblehead Paula, Grice, Wiggins, Froome, Armitsted - all of them doping cheaters.

Dope cheats out !!!!

^^^This

TUEs are the least of problem with the Brits. They use each and every PED ever thought up by NOP. They lie, cover-up and bribe shamelessly.

I hate those whining supercilious tea sippers so much.

Actually, I never knew a kid with an inhaler while I was growing up. Of the kids my sons have grown up with, all of ONE had an inhaler for asthma and he had no restrictions on what he could do. It wasn't "exercise induced."

i don't know what the deal with exercise induced asthma is but it's fairly recent discovery and the disproportionate number of elite endurance athletes who seem to have it compared to the general population seems odd to me.

brit dopers wrote:

brit dopers wrote:

Look, the plain truth is that the brits have a state sponsored cheating program. Doorbell Mo, Bobblehead Paula, Grice, Wiggins, Froome, Armitsted - all of them doping cheaters.

Dope cheats out !!!!

^^^This

TUEs are the least of problem with the Brits. They use each and every PED ever thought up by NOP. They lie, cover-up and bribe shamelessly.

You agreed with yourself, what a loser.

crap shoot wrote:

Michael Rasmussen says otherwise, he says elite sportsmen use steroid asthma medication to strip body fat, he says that with regular usage in the run up to a grand tour he could shift 1-2 kg's.

Injections, maybe. But just look it up. Inhalers have such low doses and it barely goes into the bloodstream on top of that.