Everyone who is intelligent and honest knows that rupp is a doping cheater.
Every NOPer is a doper, that is an indisputable fact.
Everyone who is intelligent and honest knows that rupp is a doping cheater.
Every NOPer is a doper, that is an indisputable fact.
Doping NOPers wrote:
Everyone who is intelligent and honest knows that rupp is a doping cheater.
Every NOPer is a doper, that is an indisputable fact.
The phrases "NOPe Dope", "Oregon Juice", and "Centro Sauce" didn't just pop up out of thin air. Sleazy Sal runs a filthy program and there is less than zero doubt about that.
Some posters approve of drug use. As long as medals are won. As long as no one gets caught. As long as TUEs are backdated. As long as the users are American runners.
NOP doping is even more organized than the UK state sponsored cheating program.
NOP does its own in-house testing. They can replicate any WADA-USADA test to an accuracy better than they can. Call it grey-zone equipment.
I will get excited when they release details of Russian TUEs. But presumably Russians did not need them - they just took whatever they wanted and were guaranteed immunity. I think we will be waiting some time for such details.
I will get excited when they release details of Russian TUEs. But presumably Russians did not need them - they just took whatever they wanted and were guaranteed immunity. I think we will be waiting some time for such details.
what a load of b.s ............
more wada horse manure
this whole affair more than likely orginates from wada itself,
to make it look that it actually tries to prevent doping
when the opposite ,
actively encourages it and has whole testing set up
so that certain peds wont show up . whole purpose of them
"the elite choosen athletes most be protected at all cost " or
"the deception of clean top class performance must be maintained "
no absolute way that galen or mo are clean and mean taking
proper peds that give proper enhancement
wada are disgusting ,vile ,deceptive ,liars.
example
still wont test for igf-1 lr3 or mention it , use at chronic levels now
best ped to hit sport ever but not a mention
showes you what these marxist are all about
thought police and MS.media have you duped and its athletes doped
if lie to you about most other stuff ,why not sport ,
big business and big money interest enough to create any lie
and created and set up, so that , new drug mildronate alpha
could be used solely by certain choosen athletes
after banning sister chemical meldonium but conventiently
wont test for this one . absolute wada sponsored doping
russians are dirty , joking me ,all a set up
just lap it up you dopes
how many records were broken this year
especial womens .
WADA are doing a good job
So Rupp had asthma in 2009, and then it went away to the point that he didn't need the meds anymore? Don't most people who are truly asthmatic stay on these medications their entire life?
ThisIsFutile wrote:
I'd be interested to hear Epstein's take on all this. I wonder if he would at all regret what he published.
What speciically did he publish that he would regret?
In Futile wrote:
You are ignoring that Dr Brown refuses to chat with the USADA about his method of "treating" athletes who see him. He certainly has something to hide.
If somebody who has no authority over you or relationship to you tries to involve you in potential arbitration proceedings between themselves and another party, would you agree to talk to them?
If they wanted to ask you about information about other people? When you have legal standards that require you not to release that person's information?
It takes real effort to be dumb enough to think this TUE information supports the conclusion that NOP are clean. For one thing, it doesn't address their use of thyroid medication at all. We know for a fact that an unusual amount of Salazar's athletes (including Rupp) use or used thyroid medications (no TUE needed). This is an area of controversy that has not been addressed adequately at all.
So that controversy remains unaffected by the Fancy Bears release. If Salazar and co are somehow using thyroid medication to gain an advantage, information about TUEs will do absolutely nothing to shed light on that situation.
Furthermore, it seems that some people are conflating the concepts of "gray area" and "TUEs". For example, thyroxine use without a true medical need is in the gray area, but it's not a drug for which a TUE is needed. TUEs are just a subset of things found in the gray area.
Finally, in all likelihood, the NOP are getting the bulk of their gains from microdosing run-of-the-mill PEDs like EPO and testosterone. They'd probably do just as well without bothering with all the inhalers and that sort of junk.
Put simply, if the lack of TUEs truly makes NOP seem less suspicious, then which TUEs would have made them MORE suspicious? Which drugs could have shown up on that list to make them seem more suspicious. Of all the TUEs revealed by Fancy Bears so far, the most reputation-damaging seems to have been the triamcinolone injections taken by the esteemed Sir Bradley Wiggins before grand tours in cycling. Those are PEDs mainly because they help an athlete cut weight. NOP uses cytomel for that. No PED needed.
Thinking out louddd wrote:
So Rupp had asthma in 2009, and then it went away to the point that he didn't need the meds anymore? Don't most people who are truly asthmatic stay on these medications their entire life?
Not all asthma meds need a TUE. He might've had a bad episode that required different treatment to his standard meds (or used a TUE to cover up dodgy doping activity).
Thinking out louddd wrote:
So Rupp had asthma in 2009, and then it went away to the point that he didn't need the meds anymore? Don't most people who are truly asthmatic stay on these medications their entire life?
I don't think you understand what a TUE is. It's short term so you can only use it for about 5 days. After that you have to apply for another TUE. Where he takes Prednisone that means he had an Asthma attack. So he had an attack in 2009 and took Prednisone and got a retroactive TUE for it. The other two TUE's he took after 2010 were also for attacks. If he took Prednisone consistantly not only would he probably die, but he would fail a drug test and be busted outside of those 15 total days he had a TUE for it. understand?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
ThisIsFutile wrote:I'd be interested to hear Epstein's take on all this. I wonder if he would at all regret what he published.
What speciically did he publish that he would regret?
Mr. Epstein,
Why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person?
You jumped all in, took the bait and had a clear agenda. But you never asked the other side or dug deep enough to realize who the bad people really were. You got played. ProPublica would be ashamed.
Thinking out louddd wrote:
So Rupp had asthma in 2009, and then it went away to the point that he didn't need the meds anymore? Don't most people who are truly asthmatic stay on these medications their entire life?
Or, in 2009, WADA changed the status of inhaled corticosteroids so that instead of requiring a abbrivated Tue (aTUE), they could be taken without a TUE and just put on the Declaration of Use (DOU) form and in 2010 this same classification was extended to the inhaled beta2 agonists (B2A) salbutamol and salmeterol. Other B2As still require an aTUE.
Sorry to intrude on your story with facts. I'm sure it was much more nefarious and exciting than what you had in your mind.
But Galen Rupp is the only NOP athlete on Thyroxine, that has been stated numerous times. Who are the unusual amount? Didn't he say he had 4 or 5 athletes over the last 10 years who were diagnosed with a thyroid disorder after joining him? Is that a lot?
It would have been more suspicious if we saw several NOP athletes with multiple TUE's, abusing the system. This obviously isn't happening unless you want to now believe that the NOP is connected with Fancy Bears and limiting what they release, not a stretch around here for people to believe.
So they don't abuse the TUE process as was first claimed. And they don't abuse the Thyroid Meds. So now we are on to the 3rd, Micro-Dosing Testosterone/EPO. Deep down I don't think anybody really believes they can get away with this for the last 10 years. They would get caught sooner or later with as many times as they are tested.
Do we think shalane had the IV before or after the race? Do you need the TUE for a post race IV because it messes up drug testing (possible masking?). For before race, that seems a little like trying to gain an advantage (wasn't this one of the things Rupp was accused of when the propublica story broke?)
Bring Back the 880 wrote:
Do we think shalane had the IV before or after the race? Do you need the TUE for a post race IV because it messes up drug testing (possible masking?). For before race, that seems a little like trying to gain an advantage (wasn't this one of the things Rupp was accused of when the propublica story broke?)
I don't know when Shalane had the IV.
That (masking) is one of the reasons WADA gives for requiring a TUE for IV infusions.
Here is the current guidance for IV infusions from WADA:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/intravenous_infusions_-_version_4.1_-_july_2016.pdf