Are the Patriots cheating again?

Bill O'Brien (former Patriots assistant and current Texans Head coach) looked like he had NO idea what was going on during the game. The Patriots didn't cheat to win this one.

Macdaddy wrote:

The Packers got "cheat points" for deflate gate, but not the patriots? Lol

Yes, Aaron Rodgers has admitted to putting more air in than allowable and trying to sneak the balls in past the refs. Phil Sims relayed the story on Sunday night football a few months before #Deflategate.

Source:

Tom Brady has never admitted to trying to get the balls below 12.5. He wants them right AT 12.5. Why would he provide the equipment guy a copy of the rule book page that lists 12.5 - 13.5 psi if they were then going to try and let air out below 12.5?

doot doot toot toot wrote:

Howard Dean wrote:

Found the butt-hurt Texan. Get over it. You got out played, out coached and out scored.

Wrong, I couldn't care less about the Texans. The Patriots have cheated before and are playing heads-and-shoulders above elite teams with a decimated roster. It does not make sense. I respect Belichick as a great coach, but this is too good to be true.

"Elite?" You have got to be joking. Did you even watch the game? The Texans made a bunch of very blatant, very key errors. Kickoff return fumbles TWICE, pass interference in the end zone TWICE, a tremendous number of defensive errors, awful passing game. They were certainly not anywhere near "elite" last night. It looked like a pro team was playing a squad of D2 guys.

you're kidding right? wrote:

doot doot toot toot wrote:

Wrong, I couldn't care less about the Texans. The Patriots have cheated before and are playing heads-and-shoulders above elite teams with a decimated roster. It does not make sense. I respect Belichick as a great coach, but this is too good to be true.

"Elite?" You have got to be joking. Did you even watch the game? The Texans made a bunch of very blatant, very key errors. Kickoff return fumbles TWICE, pass interference in the end zone TWICE, a tremendous number of defensive errors, awful passing game. They were certainly not anywhere near "elite" last night. It looked like a pro team was playing a squad of D2 guys.

It's easier to make the offense look bad if you've been spying on them.

The New England defense has been good but never lights-out. It should raise eyebrows is all I'm saying.

Sorry to make all you Brady-lovers so defensive. It's tough living with a history.

Kenny Bart wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

The Packers got "cheat points" for deflate gate, but not the patriots? Lol

Yes, Aaron Rodgers has admitted to putting more air in than allowable and trying to sneak the balls in past the refs. Phil Sims relayed the story on Sunday night football a few months before #Deflategate.

Source:

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776728/jim-nantz-phil-simms-discussion-adds-context-to-deflated-football-talk

Tom Brady has never admitted to trying to get the balls below 12.5. He wants them right AT 12.5. Why would he provide the equipment guy a copy of the rule book page that lists 12.5 - 13.5 psi if they were then going to try and let air out below 12.5?

I could write a whole argument, but, to sum it up, it's not cheating if you don't get caught.

Aaron is playing, Tom is not.

That website is CRAP.

Thursday night games always favor the home team. That being said, the Patriots have been cheating at home for quite some time. That and Osweiler is over rated and over paid.

doot doot toot toot wrote:

And yes, Houston is one of the top-10 teams in the league, so this is a valid statement.

um...no

Llort wrote:

doot doot toot toot wrote:

And yes, Houston is one of the top-10 teams in the league, so this is a valid statement.

um...no

Houston = #6

Houston = #6

Houston = #6

Even though they will fall after this week, they will stay top-10. And they will make the playoffs. And I don't give a crap about them, this thread is about the cheating Patriots.

runharwell wrote:

Top 4 quarterbacks in the AFC:

1) Tom Brady

2) Jimmy Garoppolo

3) Jacoby Brissett

4) Julian Edelman

These kind of idiotic comments are why people hate Pats fans and the Pats in general. Pats have an absurd record when leading at the 1/2 at home. So much so that it's natural to wonder if they have help.

If the Pats were a runner who won 72 marathons when leading at the 13.1. Most would say they were cheating.

That being said. The Texans were outclassed and out coached. They seem to think all they needed to do was show up against the rookie QB.

doot doot toot toot wrote:

And yes, Houston is one of the top-10 teams in the league, so this is a valid statement.

As far as I can tell, your entire argument rests on this extraordinarily dubious premise. So far the Patriots got a narrow win against the Cardinals - a very good but arguably overrated team from last year - who would have won but for a late missed FG. This was followed by a near loss to the lowly division rival Dolphins, a team that is notorious for giving the Pats unexpected trouble (as they did in last year's game that cost the Pats the #1 seed in the AFC). Now they beat an AFC South team (at home) with the help of numerous (costly) turnovers and they must be skirting the rules? I'm unconvinced. Unless you can field a convincing argument as to why the Texans are good, and supplement that with an argument of how the Texans' errors last night are the Patriots' fault through illegal means, then your whole accusation is bunk.

Pat's could play Sully from Quincy and win against the abysmal teams the rest of NFL tries to roll out against them. I gave up watching regular season Patriots games - wake me up when the AFC conference game starts.

doot doot toot toot wrote:

Llort wrote:

um...no

Houston = #6

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/09/21/nfl-week-3-power-rankings-texans-colts-patriots

Houston = #6

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17547005/nfl-2016-week-3-power-rankings-new-england-patriots-pittsburgh-steelers-arizona-cardinals

Houston = #6

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000706332/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-3-redhot-steelers-claim-no-1-spot

Even though they will fall after this week, they will stay top-10. And they will make the playoffs. And I don't give a crap about them, this thread is about the cheating Patriots.

How did the Patriots cheat specifically, that won them the game last night? Cheating must have been rampant and missed by the refs, given the margin of victory. Or perhaps the refs were paid off by Roger Goodell to allow the Patriots to win and get away with the rampant cheating in last nights game. Full disclosure..........I didn't watch it, could care less about the Patriots or any other football team. My wife likes them however because her daughter knows Gronk. I find it odd, given the deflategate discussion, that the simple laws of physics have for the most part been ignored. Particularly the laws that govern the expansion of air in a closed container when the temperature fluctuates. I'd do the math for you, in relation to the size and air volume of a football at a specific PSI and varying degrees of temperature fluctuation (also at various fill temperatures) but I'm lazy, and most of you wouldn't understand it anyway.

1) They've been caught spying in the past, and I'm suspicious they could be doing it again.

2) I could probably do the calculations better than you (and already have), and the calculations show that the amount of deflation by temperature does not explain the observed. But this is a digression. I really don't think Deflategate applies here.

doot doot toot toot wrote:

1) They've been caught spying in the past, and I'm suspicious they could be doing it again.

Lovely. Here's Roger Goodell's office number: 212-581-4742. Give him a jingle right now and get this off your chest. Everything is going to be OK.

Spying is one thing deliberately deflating Brady's balls is altogether another discussion. Giselle would not be happy. Anyway I'm lazy enough that while I can and did do the math quite some time ago I care not to go through the exercise again and would be more than happy for you to post yours so I can review it. I don't have to run the numbers again another group of scientists have already done it and wrote Goddell a letter explaining to him the fallacy in the entire argument. Made no difference. Anyway ever wonder why inflatable boat manufacturers recommend deflating in hot weather and inflating in cold? The same applies to a football but on a smaller scale, more so if the ball was inflated to working pressure indoors then taken out into a cold environment. Then of course there is calibration of the gauges, etc. Given this everyone's balls should be subject to the same "quality control" procedures in every circumstance. Utilizing Giselle as the inspector, ideally.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

. My wife likes them however because her daughter knows Gronk.

I really hope he doesn't "know" your stepdaughter. I really hope they were lab partners or something. I think the fear of a potential daughter knowing someone like Gronk has prevented me from having children.

I think the big takeaway from the start of their season is that the league may be less of a QB's league and more of a coach's league. The one hurt most by the win last night has to be Jimmy, the first backup. Everyone was talking about how good he must be winning with Brady gone. Now it's pretty clear the coaching staff is why they are so good. I have heard people say that their coach is the best coach of any sport ever. (They weren't from New England either.)

rojo wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

. My wife likes them however because her daughter knows Gronk.

I really hope he doesn't "know" your stepdaughter. I really hope they were lab partners or something. I think the fear of a potential daughter knowing someone like Gronk has prevented me from having children.

Two things:

1) Gronk? The millionaire, best TE of all time, who just won the Ron Burton Community Service award?

2) Please don't reproduce