What times do you need out of high school to run on scholarship at a mid level or upper level D1 school? please respond for 800,1600,3200, and 5k! Thank you!
What times do you need out of high school to run on scholarship at a mid level or upper level D1 school? please respond for 800,1600,3200, and 5k! Thank you!
1:53
4:14
9:11
15:20s XC
AlrightyThen wrote:
1:53
4:14
9:11
15:20s XC
This is pretty close as a list of what would have you be considered for a FULL scholarship at the types of schools you are talking about.
I am currently very versed on this as I have a HS boy who is going through this process now.
The 15:20 XC response is exactly right on. For those schools who mention a time, it is almost always 15:20 for 5k XC. Most will say they want track times and don't consider times in XC.
You can find these "scholarship standards" at the schools' website I mention (again, it always says "considered", not guaranteed). Also, note that they may recruit you even if you haven't hit those times yet, assuming that either they can't get an athlete with those times or that you will run those times before you finish high school:
Auburn for FULL/PARTIAL scholarship:
1:49.8/1:52
4:08/4:15
9:00/9:15
Florida State (scholarship standard):
1:51
4:10
9:06
High Point University:
1:55
4:16
9:20
Indiana University (athletic aid):
1:51
4:10
9:00
Illinois State (Scholarship Standard):
1:53.5
4:15
9:16
NC State (Scholarship Standard):
1:51.90
4:13
9:10
Northern Arizona (Scholarship Consideration):
1:52
4:12
9:10
Purdue (Scholarship Standard):
1:52
4:12
9:10
Texas State (Scholarship Standard):
1:53
4:16
9:25
Ohio State (Scholarship Standard):
1:51.9
4:10
9:10
Troy University (Scholarship Standard):
1:54
4:13
9:30
Alabama (Scholarship Requirements):
1:52
4:14
9:15
Arizona (Scholarship):
1:52
4:12
9:10
Iowa (Scholarship Standard):
1:51
4:12
9:05
Miami (FL) (Marks):
1:50.40
4:12
9:15
Missouri (Scholarship Standard):
1:51.5
4:12
9:10
Missouri - Kansas City (Performance Standards, Recruited):
1:55
4:20
9:20
16:00 for XC
North Carolina (Scholarship Standard):
1:52
4:12
9:10
University of Richmond - Men's CC and then distance track only, but not NCAA championship possibilities for men's track (Recruiting Standards):
1:58
4:24
9:27
Wake Forest (FULL/Partial):
1:50/1:52
4:07.5/4:14
8:55/9:15
D2 times are easier to hit of course, and NAIA are even easier.
You can expect that within the same conference that other schools would have similar times required). Good luck.
More of you HS runners and parents need to see this, so...BUMP.
Do you have a female version of this chart. Thanks. This is awesome!
There's also walk on times next to these a lot... so it's not like you don't have the chance if you don't reach these.
Is it beneficial to wait until senior track season for signing, if expecting times to get better?
I coach at the Division 1 level. If you are a female, it will be better to wait later on for more money than if you were a male because there is typically more scholarship money on the women's side. However, it is not advisable. Generally speaking, most distance coaches look for the early signing period in November to ink athletes so it's less of a headache come track season. Some athletes choose to wait. Some athletes also do not get looked at until track season. The problem with waiting is that by that time a lot of scholarship money might have already been committed to other athletes who signed early. Coaches will ALWAYS try to get you for the cheapest they can by the way. Now, if you are a stud, then that may mean a full ride might be as cheap as they will get you at. But more often than not, the recruiting game is about being as optimal as possible with your budget. That being said, do not expect full rides as a distance guy. After all, there is way less scholarship money (Title XI) to go around and distance runners aren't as productive in track as sprinters can be with how they run so many events.
To the original poster: what Flagpole posted is fairly accurate, but if you are near those marks you can definitely earn scholarship. We have 1:53/4:15/9:15 on our website, but I will still offer money to a 4:18 or 9:20 (or even slower!) kid if I know their running background, seen them race, would help the team culture, etc. There are other factors that play into all these things.
NUMBER ONE ADVICE: REACH OUT TO COACHES. DO NOT WAIT FOR THEM TO CONTACT YOU. I am serious. You would be surprised at some of the interest you will get if you stick your nose out there. Good luck this season kids.
Jbatl wrote:
Is it beneficial to wait until senior track season for signing, if expecting times to get better?
With the emphasis on the early signing period in November it would preferable to sign then being a distance kid. Good luck have a good XC season!
I'd love to see some times for the girls especially in the 800m, 1500m and 3000m.
Jbatl wrote:
Is it beneficial to wait until senior track season for signing, if expecting times to get better?
I committed to a college in April of my senior year with a partial scholarship. At this time, I was pretty good with a sub 1:55, sub 4:15. However, in May, I improved my PRs significantly and I placed on the podium in my state meet. I got contacted by some high profile D1s willing to pull some strings to get me in since I hadn't applied. But since I committed before I ran these times, I ended up going somewhere not as good as I could have.
When should an athlete reach out to the colleges they may have interest in? Fall of Junior Year? Summer before Senior year? Any other information / tips that can be provided regarding this process would be helpful. Female scholarship standards such as those listed above would be good.
Alsoran1 wrote:
When should an athlete reach out to the colleges they may have interest in? Fall of Junior Year? Summer before Senior year? Any other information / tips that can be provided regarding this process would be helpful. Female scholarship standards such as those listed above would be good.
The recruiting season really begins Sept. 1 of junior season. Coaches can request contact information from HS coaches. Calling isn't allowed to start until July 1 after the junior year. My advice is to not contact coaches before your junior year. If you have some decent times from sophomore year track and then you have a good fall cross country season, it is time to make contact. Might want to not fill out recruitment questionnaires until SAT or ACT scores are in. Can't wait too long and yet you still want to make sure you have your best times.
Our scholarship standards are 2:14, 4:59, and 11:00. We still give scholarship out to 2:15, sub 5:10, and sub 11:10. Cross Country times only matter for us at courses that are standardized (think state meet course or that big HS invite everyone goes to).
Contact them summer into your Junior year. Email them with your interest. They are not allowed to initiate phone calls or have electronic correspondence until September 1st of your junior year. However, you can technically call them. Trust me, they will notice. Don't be discouraged if they don't respond immediately. You might have to resend your information.
September 1st of your senior year or when classes start (whichever is first) is when you may take one of your five official visits. Also, some changes to the NCAA handbook were recently voted on and now we can text you like all the other sports out there. Yay.
For women (most don't have 3000 times, so you need to convert 3200 times to 3000. These are for 800, 1600, 3200. 3000 times only if noted):
Auburn for FULL/PARTIAL scholarship:
2:07
4:50
10:20
Florida State (scholarship standard):
2:09
4:51
10;30
High Point University:
2:14
5:00
11:05 (10:19 for 3000)
Indiana University (athletic aid):
2:10
4:54
10:40
Illinois State (Scholarship Standard):
2:13
5:05
10:59
NC State (Scholarship Standard):
2:12
4:57
10:48
Northern Arizona (Scholarship Consideration):
2:14
5:00
10:50
Purdue (Scholarship Standard):
2:10
4:55
10:50
Sam Houston State (girls/boys) - did have this for boys earlier
2:13.50/1:52.30
5:05/4:15
11:05/9:15
Texas State (Scholarship Standard):
2:13
5:05
11:10
Ohio State (Scholarship Standard):
Do not have info
Troy University (Scholarship Standard):
2:12
5:15
11:15
Alabama (Scholarship Requirements):
2:12
4:55
10:40
Arizona (Scholarship):
2:12
4:58
10:45
Iowa (Scholarship Standard):
2:12
4:55
10:45
Miami (FL) (Marks):
2:08.50
4:55
10:50
Missouri (Scholarship Standard):
2:11
4:54
10:50
Missouri - Kansas City (Performance Standards, Recruited):
2:18
5:10
11:00
North Carolina (Scholarship Standard):
2:12
4:57
10:50
North Florida (women/men) - didn't have men before
2:14/1:53
5:04/4:17
11:00/9:20
University of Richmond:
2:19
5:09
11:10
Wake Forest (FULL/Partial):
2:08
4:48
10:25
Thanks for the response. Are you saying that if someone exceeds your Standard - that they are an automatic offer assuming there is mutual interest? What is your typical offer for these athletes (full, half, partial)? How do grades and test scores come into play? I appreciate the informed response.
Thanks. Great stuff. Seems like female needs to get sub 11 to get on the D1 radar. I have a kid who didn't do that well at 3200 junior year (11:25), but fall workouts and CX times projecting sub 11 is now possible. Difficult to decide if waiting for the 2 mile times to come in is the smart thing to do. Most posters are saying the money will dry up, even though there is usually more money for females floating around.
Jbatl wrote:
Thanks. Great stuff. Seems like female needs to get sub 11 to get on the D1 radar. I have a kid who didn't do that well at 3200 junior year (11:25), but fall workouts and CX times projecting sub 11 is now possible. Difficult to decide if waiting for the 2 mile times to come in is the smart thing to do. Most posters are saying the money will dry up, even though there is usually more money for females floating around.
As others have said, these are just the stated times they have on their websites. Often I think they are overly optimistic. If you have an athlete who is close, it's worth a contact to a school she is interested in. Also, there are some lesser schools (runningwise) in many of these conferences who might have easier-to-hit standards. Do lots of research, make contact and find out.
Also keep in mind you can run those times and still not get money. It is not automatic that you run 4:12 you get money. Some years coaches have money, some years they don't. Some guys on the team who didn't get money might have exceeded expectations and the coach might want to reward them,.
What about boys 200 and 400? And do they have a 400H time?
What age are we talking about here - 17-18yos?