Brownlee helps brother across line, must be a DQ right?

Yes, it should be a DQ. Yes, Alistair made the right decision to help Jon.

funny wrote:

Because in the rules: an aid station worker and finish line chute official are deemed "event personnel" and are not considered "outside assistance". The Aid station workers at the ITU Grand Final aren't the same dummies who man the water stations at the Grandma's Pancake House 5k. They are event staff. They cannot help an athlete progress through the course.

When Ali saw this guy grabbing Jonny, he instantly pushed him off and took him up himself. That is because Ali knew that if that official took one step forward with Jonny on his shoulder, Jonny would have gotten a DNF. But another athlete can help another competitor across the line as long as they are able to finish the race as well.

Interesting distinction.

Also, if he pulled a Julie Moss and crawled the last 100m, that is a DQ. Being aided by another athlete across the line is legal and nowhere is it mentioned in the ITU rulebook to be illegal. But crawling across the line is specifically mentioned and is a DQ.

Lots of people have their panties in a bunch over this and want the rules to be amended next year. I say it's good for the sport, and not a situation that we are going to start seeing every couple of races. Not many people are going to stop and walk a competitor across the line and risk lowering their seasonal points and paycheck. Ali has moved into the IDGAF realm (multiple time world champ, 2x Gold Medalist) and helped his brother who was trying to win a world title.

should a new rule be enacted, or an existing rule amended, it would be aimed almost exclusively at the Brownlees and siblings in general.

I agree. The rule won't be amended because triathlon is just a different kind of sport. Finish line collapses have been part of the lore of the sport since 1982. It's one of the reasons the sport became so popular. And the sport's culture has always been less focused on the purity of the clock and more focused on testing personal limits. I think there's a sense in triathlon that if you have a complete collapse within spitting distance of the finish, that's actually proof that you totally crushed it--at least mentally--and your body is just rebelling. People like that just seem deserving. Finally, the rule will only realistically come into play in very rare circumstances, so it's not likely to mess with the sport too much.

There was a long discussion here about whether Flanagan should have been DQed in the marathon OT for receiving a bottle from Cragg.It allows "event personnel" to give "medical assistance", which would seem to apply to the first guy who helped.As to the brothers, it seems a violation. It was hardly "incidental". The rules for the tri say:

2.2. Outside assistance:

a.) The assistance provided by event personnel or Technical Officials is allowed but is limited to providing drinks, nutrition, mechanical and medical assistance, upon the approval of the Technical Delegate or Race Referee. Athletes competing in the same race may assist each other with incidental items such as, but not restricted to, nutrition and drinks after a water station and pumps, tubular tires, inner tubes and puncture repair kits;

b.) Athletes may not provide any item of equipment to an athlete competing in the same race which results in the donor athlete being unable to continue with their own race. This includes but is not restricted to shoes, complete bicycle, frame, wheels and helmet. The penalty for this will be disqualification of both athletes.

Seems like every other race there's a discussion on here as to whether 1 or more people should be disqualified.

When did the sport become so whiny?

Is it true that crawling across the line in a triathlon is a DQ? If so, why?

ladedah wrote:

funny wrote:

Because in the rules: an aid station worker and finish line chute official are deemed "event personnel" and are not considered "outside assistance". The Aid station workers at the ITU Grand Final aren't the same dummies who man the water stations at the Grandma's Pancake House 5k. They are event staff. They cannot help an athlete progress through the course.

When Ali saw this guy grabbing Jonny, he instantly pushed him off and took him up himself. That is because Ali knew that if that official took one step forward with Jonny on his shoulder, Jonny would have gotten a DNF. But another athlete can help another competitor across the line as long as they are able to finish the race as well.

Interesting distinction.

You are clueless. He took him to try to win this thing. if he stood with the official his race was over

No idea why, but it is in the rule book that crawling is not allowed. Open up the link and use CTRL+F to search "crawl".

My guess is that tri folks did not think it looked good for the sport whereas many of us were first exposed to triathlon because of that. ITU and Ironman rules might differ?

Is it illegal even in an Ironman to crawl across?

No it's not

Can you dive across the finish line like Track and Field?

If you think he should be DQ'd for that, you're a terrible person with no soul and you don't deserve to even be on this website.

PrZ wrote:

If you think he should be DQ'd for that, you're a terrible person with no soul and you don't deserve to even be on this website.

Races should be on a level playing field, one man v another. He didn't make second under his own steam. Seems fairly straightforward to me. Makes a mockery of the whole race. And not comparable at all to the women in the Olympics as they were way out of contention - ditto Derek Redmonds getting to the finish with his DAD helping as he only came last anyway so didn't deny anyone else their fair dues.

It is not a DQ to crawl in Ironman racing (World Triathlon Corp, or WTC). ITU and WTC are different governing bodies. Iron distance racing doesn't really have a single global governing body. Each race is put on by either WTC or Challenge, or another independent and operates under the local national federations' rules.

The ITU is a single global governing body focusing mostly on draft-legal racing (but has a few other formats as well).

Ironman has silly shit in their rules like you can't cross the line with your kids for the finish line pic (think your 12+ hour finishers), because it might ruin the finish line pic of another competitor. BUT, you can log roll across the line in honor of John Blaze (since-deceased competitor with ALS), and not give a crap who is in the frame. Ironman is a race production company, and ITU is a global governing body.

KAV, did you say I am clueless? The rules are what they are, there was a protest filed, and it was overturned because there were no rules broken. I also raced this format for 3 years as a professional, so I would love for you to tell me how your experience is better, or more in-depth than mine.

He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

PrZ wrote:

If you think he should be DQ'd for that, you're a terrible person with no soul and you don't deserve to even be on this website.

What are you talking about?

Everyone is like that here at this website.

Why are you such a big whiner about it?

trollism wrote:

JoeGarland wrote:

There was a long discussion here about whether Flanagan should have been DQed in the marathon OT for receiving a bottle from Cragg.

It allows "event personnel" to give "medical assistance", which would seem to apply to the first guy who helped.

As to the brothers, it seems a violation. It was hardly "incidental". The rules for the tri say:

http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itusport_competition-rules_december20141.pdf

Seems like every other race there's a discussion on here as to whether 1 or more people should be disqualified.

When did the sport become so whiny?

When did Letsrun.com start?

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PrZ wrote:

If you think he should be DQ'd for that, you're a terrible person with no soul and you don't deserve to even be on this website.

What are you talking about?

Everyone is like that here at this website.

Why are you such a big whiner about it?

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