i woudn't put haile in the same league as some of these guys
he woudn't stand a chance at 1/2M against these guys nowdays over 1/2M
his 58-high wr was nicely paced
this guy ran near enough 59-flat, close to geb's pb, & the kenyan went thru 10k at pace of 57'29 !!!
quite clearly, if they had gone out much slower in 1st 5k/10k, the winner wouda been looking at 58-low/mid & likely the WR & he woud at best be 3rd string kenyan !!!
Weather and good health permitting no doubt he will have another chance at the annual New Delhi half marathon at the end of November. I hope this time they recruit pace makers who can shoot for 27:40 - 50 at 10K and from there Wangari can handle at least 58:30s if not faster. I hope Kamworor(hopefully back in shape), Karoki and the Kipyego guy will also be in the race. All these guys are capable of 58:40 and better and will be very interesting how it turns out. Introducing time bonuses will be a good thing since no one wants to go home DEVASTED after running 58:40!
the iaaf report says he was maimed by strong winds, which indicates he probably wouda gone < 59 even off suicidal 10k
that 10k was even worse than thought
13'43 / 13'32 !!!
he started off at 27'26 ! pace which was far too quick as it's 57'53 pace & this guy looked to be slivering handful of secs off WR, not demolishing it
the 2nd 5k was utterly suicidal !!!
13'32 !!! is not only 27'04 !!! pace but 57'07 pace !!!
despite this wrecking 2nd 5k, he still wouda gone < 59 if not for winds !!!
even if he had just run 1st 10k at even pace, he probably couda gone 27'10 conserving energy for another 10.1k to go !!!
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
this guy is probably in 26'30 / 26'35 track shape & that doesn't look generous !!!
it really is unfortunate there are no $$$ 10k track races
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
he ran a 26'37pb in a race he scolded for being far too slow early on & he actually lost the sprint to some kenyan in 26'35
it was somewhat his fault he didn't take charge early on, as reading between the lines, he was looking for ~ 26'20 / 26'25 at worst
zedster looked at worst same 10k shape in berlin-'09 when he nearly broke the kennster for some tantalising seconds but coudn't quite break the elastic & ran ~ 26'50 & he was running serious 1/2Ms at time
bottom line, for proper 10k guys from outset, not 5k guys moving up, 10k & 1/2 M IMO are related events
a rough estimate prelim for current shape in either
58'30 = 26'25
If they ran into headwinds the latter part, they likely had helpful tailing winds the first 10K.
I think there was some tailwind in the first 10k, which could be one reason for the very first start.
i think the tailwinds helped massively in this race, i noticed quite a few runners i know dropping huges PBs. most of them beating their PB over the first 10k
tailwinds and/or downhills were clearly involved in that opening 10k, which was faster than the winner has run for 10k, and probably to 15k in 41:32!
Mwangi running in lisbon
https://www.iaaf.org/news/preview/edp-lisbon-half-marathon-2017
aiming for 27'40 pace at 10k which woud get him 58'23wr
let's hope conditions are good & a flat course & he is in at worst copenhagen shape
last time he split 13'43 & 13'32 !!! opener for 27'15 & said strong winds hampered the last 1/2 of race but he still held on for 59'07 !!!
he reckoned he was in wr shape in copenhagen so let's see how close he gets today...
Calculo, you should know that Mwangi is not going to get the half marathon record.
As per usual Calculo, you need to realize that you know little about the sport.
don't trust enroute marks at road races (for one thing they don't need to meet record purposes about course direction/descent).
Denmark has less people than NYC. Complain about New Yorkers.? How'd they do in the half-marathon?
The US has 50x the population of Denmark , we haven't a single runner capable of 10miles at 59:00 half marathon pace. Rupp is caught up in a doping investigation, Mead, Estrada and Chelimo are our best bets for < 60'
calculo wrote:
Mwangi running in lisbon
https://www.iaaf.org/news/preview/edp-lisbon-half-marathon-2017aiming for 27'40 pace at 10k which woud get him 58'23wr
let's hope conditions are good & a flat course & he is in at worst copenhagen shape
last time he split 13'43 & 13'32 !!! opener for 27'15 & said strong winds hampered the last 1/2 of race but he still held on for 59'07 !!!
he reckoned he was in wr shape in copenhagen so let's see how close he gets today...
Is this a joke?
Won't believe what that 59:07 half time was done on.
Sand Dunes wrote:
Won't believe what that 59:07 half time was done on.
+1
It takes two cans of beer to fail alcohol test. So I take only one can. But after sometime, the one can cannot give me the same feeling I had before and therefore I have to take two cans to feel "normal". That is how they caught me!
police athletics correctly wrote:
kvothe wrote:
isn't Denmark ashamed they didn't have anyone near these guys? That's what gets me, all these European countries invite the east africans to run their big races and the domestics aren't willing to put in the effort throughout the year to compete with them.
I am not sure why European race organizers are still inviting East African athletes to races when East African nations have not been respecting anti doping protocols for several years. As was done with Russia in the Olympics, European race organizers should be placing a blanket ban on East Africans from competing in their events. If they don't do this, they are doing nothing to develop European distance running and are instead just handing out money to drug cheats and cockroach managers. This is just the same as funding organized crime. If WADA and IAAF are doing nothing to control doping in distance running then European race organizers need to take a stand and show the way forward.
With as many top Kenyan distance runners as have been caught, I'm wondering if there isn't some organized doping going on.
calculo wrote:
the iaaf report says he was maimed by strong winds, which indicates he probably wouda gone < 59 even off suicidal 10k
that 10k was even worse than thought
13'43 / 13'32 !!!
he started off at 27'26 ! pace which was far too quick as it's 57'53 pace & this guy looked to be slivering handful of secs off WR, not demolishing it
the 2nd 5k was utterly suicidal !!!
13'32 !!! is not only 27'04 !!! pace but 57'07 pace !!!
despite this wrecking 2nd 5k, he still wouda gone < 59 if not for winds !!!
even if he had just run 1st 10k at even pace, he probably couda gone 27'10 conserving energy for another 10.1k to go !!!
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
this guy is probably in 26'30 / 26'35 track shape & that doesn't look generous !!!
it really is unfortunate there are no $$$ 10k track races
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
he ran a 26'37pb in a race he scolded for being far too slow early on & he actually lost the sprint to some kenyan in 26'35
it was somewhat his fault he didn't take charge early on, as reading between the lines, he was looking for ~ 26'20 / 26'25 at worst
zedster looked at worst same 10k shape in berlin-'09 when he nearly broke the kennster for some tantalising seconds but coudn't quite break the elastic & ran ~ 26'50 & he was running serious 1/2Ms at time
bottom line, for proper 10k guys from outset, not 5k guys moving up, 10k & 1/2 M IMO are related events
a rough estimate prelim for current shape in either
58'30 = 26'25
Poor Venti another of his heroes goes down.
Subway Surfers wrote:
calculo wrote:
the iaaf report says he was maimed by strong winds, which indicates he probably wouda gone < 59 even off suicidal 10k
that 10k was even worse than thought
13'43 / 13'32 !!!
he started off at 27'26 ! pace which was far too quick as it's 57'53 pace & this guy looked to be slivering handful of secs off WR, not demolishing it
the 2nd 5k was utterly suicidal !!!
13'32 !!! is not only 27'04 !!! pace but 57'07 pace !!!
despite this wrecking 2nd 5k, he still wouda gone < 59 if not for winds !!!
even if he had just run 1st 10k at even pace, he probably couda gone 27'10 conserving energy for another 10.1k to go !!!
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
this guy is probably in 26'30 / 26'35 track shape & that doesn't look generous !!!
it really is unfortunate there are no $$$ 10k track races
zedster ran 58'23 off 27'53 split !!!
he ran a 26'37pb in a race he scolded for being far too slow early on & he actually lost the sprint to some kenyan in 26'35
it was somewhat his fault he didn't take charge early on, as reading between the lines, he was looking for ~ 26'20 / 26'25 at worst
zedster looked at worst same 10k shape in berlin-'09 when he nearly broke the kennster for some tantalising seconds but coudn't quite break the elastic & ran ~ 26'50 & he was running serious 1/2Ms at time
bottom line, for proper 10k guys from outset, not 5k guys moving up, 10k & 1/2 M IMO are related events
a rough estimate prelim for current shape in either
58'30 = 26'25
Poor Venti another of his heroes goes down.
At least he is not going on being a cvnt, like you.
liyolll wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Poor Venti another of his heroes goes down.
At least he is not going on being a cvnt, like you.
Sour grapes your heroes are being exposed?
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