Prednisolone is the same drug as clenbuterol. Exactly the same.
Except for the differences.
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
Prednisolone: C21,H28,O5, glucocorticoid, approved for use.
Exactly.
Prednisolone is the same drug as clenbuterol. Exactly the same.
Except for the differences.
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
Prednisolone: C21,H28,O5, glucocorticoid, approved for use.
Exactly.
Chemical buff wrote:
Prednisolone is the same drug as clenbuterol. Exactly the same.Except for the differences.
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
Prednisolone: C21,H28,O5, glucocorticoid, approved for use.
Exactly.
They are generally considered to be in the same category of drugs, as is Albuterol though, aren't they? They all raise the metabolic rate, are steroids, help burn fat, etc.. They all increase the energy athletes have to train and compete, increase blood supply to the muscles, etc..
And how can a drug have too amounts of C12? Wouldn't that be C24? Clenbuterol is manufactured to be metabolised by equines, prednisolone by humans. Both drugs have the same intended effect.
My experience of only five days on prednisolone was that it made me superhuman. The performance enhancing aspects were incredible. I can only imagine what it would be like to have the benefits of training on it for months at a time. Doctors are incredibly reluctant to prescribe it for a few days, never mind a lengthy period of time.
How strange for a doctor to prescribe it for such a long period of time when there are so many other drugs out there that would be better choices for the given condition. A bit like Sharapova on Mildronate.
Of course its cheating!
"Rasmussen, who twice won the Tour’s King of the Mountains jersey, has explained that Leinders helped him get the false medical certificates he needed to be granted TUEs by the UCI and Wada."
This seems to be common practice in most sports, including T&F, just find a compliant doc like Alberto's Doc Brown and fly your athlete down there.
"Bradley Wiggins denies disgraced doctor gave him banned steroid under TUE"
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
And how can a drug have too amounts of C12? Wouldn't that be C24?
The second one is Cl, chlorine. C-12, H-18, Cl-2, N-2, O-1.
My experience of only five days on prednisolone was that it made me superhuman. The performance enhancing aspects were incredible. I can only imagine what it would be like to have the benefits of training on it for months at a time.
Careful. Usually after a week or so the side effects start to add up and become potent. But as you say, it can be potent for a few days.
Some/Many of the prednisolone TUEs are "open-ended", in that they allow pred to be used as "needed", with no further notification. It would be unsurprising to find out that such a "need" crops up about a week before a big event, and they are on the drug for the next 5-7 days. Really, the anti-doping agencies should survey this more.
What's up Doc wrote:
"Rasmussen, who twice won the Tour’s King of the Mountains jersey, has explained that Leinders helped him get the false medical certificates he needed to be granted TUEs by the UCI and Wada."
Is Leinders formally on the "banned association" for WADA by now? ANyone know?
Pred is my middle name (not) wrote:
My experience of only five days on prednisolone was that it made me superhuman. The performance enhancing aspects were incredible. I can only imagine what it would be like to have the benefits of training on it for months at a time.Careful. Usually after a week or so the side effects start to add up and become potent. But as you say, it can be potent for a few days.
Some/Many of the prednisolone TUEs are "open-ended", in that they allow pred to be used as "needed", with no further notification. It would be unsurprising to find out that such a "need" crops up about a week before a big event, and they are on the drug for the next 5-7 days. Really, the anti-doping agencies should survey this more.
Agreed. I can see how you would get good at seeing best how it works for you as an individual. I only wish I had timed my dose to coincide with a race. I'm not Olympic level, but would like to have felt that invincible feeling in a race just once. Or maybe not. I would have felt like a cheater.
I felt great on day 2, fabulous on day 3 and a worldbeater on days 4 and 5. That was my five day dose but on days 6, 7 and 8 I was still way faster than I ought to have been.
There can be no medical reason that anyone would need an open ended prescription lasting six months . Its an emergency treatment.
I can see how that stuff would be addictive. I was literally twice the athlete I was. I wouldn't want to be a cheat though.
Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:
Pred is my middle name (not) wrote:Careful. Usually after a week or so the side effects start to add up and become potent. But as you say, it can be potent for a few days.
Some/Many of the prednisolone TUEs are "open-ended", in that they allow pred to be used as "needed", with no further notification. It would be unsurprising to find out that such a "need" crops up about a week before a big event, and they are on the drug for the next 5-7 days. Really, the anti-doping agencies should survey this more.
Agreed. I can see how you would get good at seeing best how it works for you as an individual. I only wish I had timed my dose to coincide with a race. I'm not Olympic level, but would like to have felt that invincible feeling in a race just once. Or maybe not. I would have felt like a cheater.
I felt great on day 2, fabulous on day 3 and a worldbeater on days 4 and 5. That was my five day dose but on days 6, 7 and 8 I was still way faster than I ought to have been.
There can be no medical reason that anyone would need an open ended prescription lasting six months . Its an emergency treatment.
I can see how that stuff would be addictive. I was literally twice the athlete I was. I wouldn't want to be a cheat though.
I don't disagree with your description, but your comparison to Testosterone ir EPO is not true. It is powerful, but the effect is marginal compared to those high octane drugs. Think about it this way: as powerful as prednisone is, it is (can be) legal. Imagine how powerful the drugs are that are banned outright...
If you want to know in what way the Russians cheat, it is all out there from the documentaries to the WADA investigation report, and so forth. They can get TUE's. They want all-out, all the time cheating instead. And if they ever do get samples taken that might nab them, no problem, just punch a hole in the wall and replace the sample with another identical bottle all sealed up. So, while I don't think that the TUE's are justified in most cases, because they are using banned substances or banned levels when medication is usually unnecessary to get over colds, don't claim equivalency where there is no shred of it. What would be stunning would be if their hackers found the actual illegal, non-TUE drug schedules of prominent Western athletes. Having lived through the 1970s and 1980s, I find it astonishing to see the conservatives on this website eating up Russian propaganda and having a man crush on this murderous KGB director.
BelieveIt wrote:
jjjjj wrote:This is not a little one-sided. After all, his athletes could have similarly had such therapeutic use exemptions. Instead, they dope and cheat in every way conceivable.
What ways do they cheat?
-It's looking like they don't get "binders full of TUEs" as the 5 homers on Let's Run like to claim. Although we can wait to see what comes out on Mo
-Only one of their athletes is on Thyroid(not doping if they all were)
So what way? And please don't bring up the Testosterone notation from when Galen was 15.
From RW:"After four courses of prednisone and a shot of Kenalog, I fell in love with the effects of itch medicine. Beyond the relief of no longer wanting to flay myself, the corticosteroids gave me spring, bounce and boundless stamina, even though this type of steroid is supposed to be only inflammation-reducing, not performance-enhancing. I felt I could run forever, faster than I ever had. It was great."
Pred is my middle name (not) wrote:
My experience of only five days on prednisolone was that it made me superhuman. The performance enhancing aspects were incredible. I can only imagine what it would be like to have the benefits of training on it for months at a time.Careful. Usually after a week or so the side effects start to add up and become potent. But as you say, it can be potent for a few days.
Some/Many of the prednisolone TUEs are "open-ended", in that they allow pred to be used as "needed", with no further notification. It would be unsurprising to find out that such a "need" crops up about a week before a big event, and they are on the drug for the next 5-7 days. Really, the anti-doping agencies should survey this more.
Angry Willy wrote:
From RW:
"After four courses of prednisone and a shot of Kenalog, I fell in love with the effects of itch medicine. Beyond the relief of no longer wanting to flay myself, the corticosteroids gave me spring, bounce and boundless stamina, even though this type of steroid is supposed to be only inflammation-reducing, not performance-enhancing. I felt I could run forever, faster than I ever had. It was great."
Anyone know what malady Serena had for using it in 2015 French Open? Or the doctor that OK'd it?
Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:
FancyBear analyst wrote:Prednisolone is the same drug as clenbuterol. Exactly the same. Its a bronchio-dilator. I was given it when seriously ill with pneumonia and suffering from asthma, for a maximum of five days (because it can cause heart problems). Despite being seriously ill at the time, it was amazing. I went out a ride on my bike on the fifth day, intending to go at walking speed, and was able to ride for 40 minutes far far faster than I'd ever done before (or since). I was tireless the from the second day onwards.
I cannot think why it would be prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis. It is a bronchio-dilator, it has a similar effect to EPO. Doctors are very reluctant to prescribe it even once, and certainly not regularly.
As a woman athlete, I can pretty much guarantee that if I took testosterone and clenbuterol sorry prednisolone regularly, I would probably make the Olympics. The prednisolone alone would probably be enough. There is no way an athlete could take it for that long and not have a significant advantage over his rivals. That is astonishing that cyclists are actually using clenbuterol and racing legally.
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Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:
Chemical buff wrote:Except for the differences.
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
Prednisolone: C21,H28,O5, glucocorticoid, approved for use.
Exactly.
They are generally considered to be in the same category of drugs, as is Albuterol though, aren't they? They all raise the metabolic rate, are steroids, help burn fat, etc.. They all increase the energy athletes have to train and compete, increase blood supply to the muscles, etc..
And how can a drug have too amounts of C12? Wouldn't that be C24? Clenbuterol is manufactured to be metabolised by equines, prednisolone by humans. Both drugs have the same intended effect.
My experience of only five days on prednisolone was that it made me superhuman. The performance enhancing aspects were incredible. I can only imagine what it would be like to have the benefits of training on it for months at a time. Doctors are incredibly reluctant to prescribe it for a few days, never mind a lengthy period of time.
How strange for a doctor to prescribe it for such a long period of time when there are so many other drugs out there that would be better choices for the given condition. A bit like Sharapova on Mildronate.
Of course its cheating!
no
Pred is powerful wrote:
Angry Willy wrote:From RW:
"After four courses of prednisone and a shot of Kenalog, I fell in love with the effects of itch medicine. Beyond the relief of no longer wanting to flay myself, the corticosteroids gave me spring, bounce and boundless stamina, even though this type of steroid is supposed to be only inflammation-reducing, not performance-enhancing. I felt I could run forever, faster than I ever had. It was great."
Anyone know what malady Serena had for using it in 2015 French Open? Or the doctor that OK'd it?
Don't you think it's interesting that Serena has won 22 Grand Slam titles, but during only one she requested a TUE?
Does that suggest cheating, or perhaps she needed one this time?
Glad to see the fancy bears website is now offline. They had f all of interest to show us really and it wasn't right for them to breach athletes personal data like that. Not when all they had to show was a few asthma TUEs.
trollism wrote:
Does that suggest cheating, or perhaps she needed one this time?
Or got caught using something, or needed to use something, because she not at optimal performance "health".
trollism wrote:
Pred is powerful wrote:Anyone know what malady Serena had for using it in 2015 French Open? Or the doctor that OK'd it?
Don't you think it's interesting that Serena has won 22 Grand Slam titles, but during only one she requested a TUE?
Does that suggest cheating, or perhaps she needed one this time?
Given the backdated nature, just as likely story is that she requested it after being caught.
So they only caught her 1/22 times, and even she then she went the retrodated TUE route, to have her reputation.
Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:
Chemical buff wrote:Except for the differences.
Clenbuterol: C12,H18,Cl2,N2,O, acts as a beta-2 agonist, banned by FDA
Prednisolone: C21,H28,O5, glucocorticoid, approved for use.
Exactly.
They are generally considered to be in the same category of drugs, as is Albuterol though, aren't they? They all raise the metabolic rate, are steroids, help burn fat, etc.. They all increase the energy athletes have to train and compete, increase blood supply to the muscles, etc..
NO NO NO. Prednisone and Albuterol are VERY VERY different.
Albuterol: beta-agonist. Short-acting bronchodilator. Does not help if you don't have broncho-constriction. Seriously - that's how they test for asthma - if the albuterol improves your breathing, then you have asthma, since it can't ever improve you to more than 100%.
Prednisolone: corticosteroid. NOT a broncho-dilator but an anti-inflammatory/immunosuppresant. Corticosteroids are legal when inhaled, since their effect is limited to the lungs and counteracting inflammation there. They are NOT legal when taken orally, rectally, or injected, as they can have systemic effects then, including the performance boosting effects that some people report.
Albuterol will NOT help you if you don't have asthma. Corticosteroids taken orally, like Prednisolone, most definitely will.
I don't know too much about clenbuterol, since it's banned across the board. My best guess is that besides the bronchodilation effect, it has some other effects that are systemic, hence the prohibition.
rjm33 wrote:
Claritin is not a performance enhancing anabolic steroid that is banned by WADA.
Claritin is not a schedule III controlled substance.
Claritin is also available over-the-counter (OTC) WITHOUT a prescription.
It is an antihistamine.
https://www.drugs.com/pro/claritin.htmlTry again troll pup.
Does this actually help your performance? because I've got some sitting here.
FancyBear analyst wrote:
[quote]Laura Trott
Female cyclist (UK), gold medalist in omnium and team pursuit in 2012 and 2016.
1. salmeterol (Seretide 50), salbutamol, 10 Jul 2009 to 31 Jul 2013, granted 27 Jul (17 days late), comments contain extra info, including noting that the inhaler contains fluticasone propionate (no explicit TUE for this?)
Inhaled corticosteroids are legal, both in and out of competition, since their effects is local, it limited to the lungs. Ditto for corticosteroids applied to one's skin, or via nasal spray. Corticosteroids taken orally (or as a suppository or by injection) have a systemic effect, and are banned.
Advair is salmeterol+fluticasone, and is legal, with no TUE required. Fluticasone is also legal as Flonase - the nasal spray.