The Russians Have Hacked WADA: Leaked Drug Tests/TUEs - Real or Not?

If the corticosteroids were not performance enhancing Lance would have not been on them, and got a backdated TUE for them when he got caught.

i agree with spencer wrote:

now we can compete with mostly clean east africans

Give this man a TUE for his dillusional stupidity.

You can read recent RUSADA reports (2010-15) and the number of TUEs they approved (and didn't) from the link here:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=7508679&id=7643320#7643320

You really think she's taking oxy or hydromorphone as a PED? Those are two heavy pain killers.

Pain killers are de facto PEDs.

Dealing with pain is (or used to be) part of sport.

"Due to the significant risk for abuse of growth hormone for performance enhancement, these requirements must be strictly followed. The diagnosis should be confirmed by an endocrinologist with expertise in hypothalamic-pituitary disorders."

Can you translate this to how it works in practice?

these requirements must be strictly followed -> these requirements just need a dodgy doctor on the payola

The diagnosis should (?) be confirmed by an endocrinologist with expertise in hypothalamic-pituitary disorders -> the initial "diagnosis" will be rubber-stamped by some random dude who likes sports

TUEsday Afternoon wrote:

Exactly. TUE's often mean that you're good at paperwork. You're still taking stuff. I could get a TUE for testosterone tomorrow. Is that fair?

Are you sure? I thought there hadn't been any TUEs for testosterone in the US.

Still confused after all these wrote:

TUEsday Afternoon wrote:

Exactly. TUE's often mean that you're good at paperwork. You're still taking stuff. I could get a TUE for testosterone tomorrow. Is that fair?

Are you sure? I thought there hadn't been any TUEs for testosterone in the US.

It is used but no one dares ask if they can use it or not.

Nuttin to see here wrote:

It is not a violation of privacy if they have nothing to hide. Have a truly necessary TUE won't hurt them at all. The idiotic stigma associated with use of drugs to be healthy should go by the wayside. BUT those who abuse drugs by getting TUEs, and pliable doctors, need to think twice before deciding to use something. Most TUEs are really not necessary.

There are an awful lot of frightened people claiming privacy violations. They seem to have something to hide.

Are you stupid? You don't think medical information should be kept private?

Don't know, don't care either wrote:

Can you translate this to how it works in practice?

Sorry, but I'm with Clerk on this one. In another thread, he said, "TUEs are a red herring in the anti-doping fight."

Do you have evidence that athletes are getting TUEs for testosterone or HGH by working with shady doctors? I don't.

As far as I can tell, the problem is not that athletes are getting TUEs for testosterone and HGH. The problem is that athletes are using HGH and testosterone or other drugs without TUEs, and without failing drugs tests. They can do this either because they are paying someone off, or because they are using the drugs in a way that defeats the tests.

I'm happy to be corrected, but I want to see evidence that TUEs are being abused. I don't want to hear more speculation..

Use but don't tell wrote:

It is used but no one dares ask if they can use it or not.

No one dares to ask, or no one bothers to ask?

My sense is that people don't ask (get TUEs) because they don't have to. They either pay off officials, or they dope in a way that fools the tests.

Why wasn't George Brett on painkillers for his hemorrhoids?

prednisone/prednisolone is a steroid used for asthma attacks, among other things. it is prescribed incredibly frequently despite having really awful side effects (they say that over the short term, those awful side effects won't harm kids).

gadsdafgda wrote:

Nuttin to see here wrote:

It is not a violation of privacy if they have nothing to hide. Have a truly necessary TUE won't hurt them at all. The idiotic stigma associated with use of drugs to be healthy should go by the wayside. BUT those who abuse drugs by getting TUEs, and pliable doctors, need to think twice before deciding to use something. Most TUEs are really not necessary.

There are an awful lot of frightened people claiming privacy violations. They seem to have something to hide.

Are you stupid? You don't think medical information should be kept private?

No and no, next question.

You don't believe in keeping medical info private? Nice. I eagerly await your prison sentence for leaking confidential medical info about someone you dislike.

The Facebook generation is generally pretty blase about privacy.

Murder Dubs wrote:

You don't believe in keeping medical info private? Nice. I eagerly await your prison sentence for leaking confidential medical info about someone you dislike.

I am for not private because a lot of money is at stake. Money you will never recovery from an athlete who abused the system.

No one is going to jail for releasing TUE information. It is not medical information related to non-sports health issues.

i agree with spencer wrote:

your argument is flail

why would you need a TUE for eye drops?

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/science-medical/therapeutic-use-exemptions

read up trolly, it has to be something on the "prohibited list" why would eye drops need to be a TUE? like someone said earlier, its cheating the PC way. you milk the system say you have some underlying issue and without the thyroid meds or CERA or HGH or stimulants then you just cant make it. you get nike or adidas or puma to get a legal team together, a few doctors who will claim your condition and booooom you can cheat LEGALY. and the best part of a TUE is you can use it throughout the entire SEASON.....no worries of testing hot cause you have a TUE for 4-5 issues, or maybe more!

When I was in college the athletic administration/medical staff told us to list EVERYTHING we took--including things as basic as vitamin c. If it was a banned substance requiring a TUE, it was filed. Better safe than sorry.

Russian or otherwise, thank you for giving us the truth about these dopers.

Still confused after all these wrote:

TUEsday Afternoon wrote:

Exactly. TUE's often mean that you're good at paperwork. You're still taking stuff. I could get a TUE for testosterone tomorrow. Is that fair?

Are you sure? I thought there hadn't been any TUEs for testosterone in the US.

Technically, it is very difficult to get a TUE for T. You would have to have quite specific proof that would mean a male would have terrible recovery. So it's very unlikely an athlete would get into the registered testing pool with such poor recovery.

T is not illegal below a 4:1 ratio. That's why Alberto Salazar was testing it on his teenage kid then testing the kid. Just don't cross the threshold and it isn't doping.

TUEs are a giant hole in the system. Unfortunately, the people that got docs from WADA didn't have the slightest understanding of how the system works. So, it's not "doping."

What would be helpful is dumping all the TUEs to get a sense of frequency and probability highly ranked athletes have TUEs vs. others.

The other thing the docs seem to show is the labs doing a good job detecting some PEDs.