Wouldn't be the first time it happened. In 2007 it went to Daniel Komen based on one race essentially.
kvothe wrote:
I don't think Centro will be #1. Probably 3rd or 4th. He needed some wins in Europe for that #1 ranking. You can get a #1 with just the Oly victory, but not when you're only 19th fastest.
...and perform well when the pace is hot. Even Farah is faster then him at 1500. I don't think Centro has ever beaten the 5k/10k specialist at 1500.
Sleepy wrote:
No- the Rio win was impressive but so tactical and slow. He's got to race more against international competition.
I don't understand your point.
it could happen wrote:kvothe wrote:Wouldn't be the first time it happened. In 2007 it went to Daniel Komen based on one race essentially.
I don't think Centro will be #1. Probably 3rd or 4th. He needed some wins in Europe for that #1 ranking. You can get a #1 with just the Oly victory, but not when you're only 19th fastest.
As glad as I was to see Centrowitz win the Olympic title, I doubt he will be ranked World Number 1. The T&FN rankings are based on a series of races over an entire season, and don't historically speaking, put too much emphasis on an Olympic win, even though everyone knows it's the most important race to win.
wejo wrote:
Centro probably would have been #1 in the world this year anyway but with Makhloufi finishing 2nd in Brussels in not that fast a time, Centro should be #1. He's only got the 19th fastest time but won the Olympics and World Indoors and was undefeated at 1500/mile this year except for a 9th place at the Portland meet which was more of a workout.
Centro will be #1 despite not running a mile or 1500 all year in Europe. Has that ever happened before? Maybe with Ryun?
He doesn't. His running resume is soft for 2016. Winning Olympic Gold does not a full year resume make.
Star wrote:
... I don't know how Centro gets ranked #1 this year.
Wejo, Centro was second at the Fifth Avenue Mile. Perhaps that doesn't count much or at all in Track & Field News' rankings as it was a road mile.
wejo wrote:
Centro probably would have been #1 in the world this year anyway but with Makhloufi finishing 2nd in Brussels in not that fast a time, Centro should be #1. He's only got the 19th fastest time but won the Olympics and World Indoors and was undefeated at 1500/mile this year except for a 9th place at the Portland meet which was more of a workout.
Centro will be #1 despite not running a mile or 1500 all year in Europe. Has that ever happened before? Maybe with Ryun?
? Makhloufi finished 4th in Brussels.
wejo wrote:
Centro probably would have been #1 in the world this year anyway but with Makhloufi finishing 2nd in Brussels in not that fast a time, Centro should be #1.
Not quite right, while it is true that T&FN rankings are based on an entire season's results, there is a definite pecking order of criteria: "The Rankings are based on these 3 criteria, in descending order of importance: 1. Honors Won; 2. Head-To-Head records with other athletes; 3. Sequence Of Marks."
Deanouk wrote:
As glad as I was to see Centrowitz win the Olympic title, I doubt he will be ranked World Number 1. The T&FN rankings are based on a series of races over an entire season, and don't historically speaking, put too much emphasis on an Olympic win, even though everyone knows it's the most important race to win.
In 80, Coe ran (and won), just 2 international 1500 races, winning the Olympic gold and then the 2nd most important race, the Zurich 1500, only 0.13 outside the then WR. Both were convincing victories. But he was only ranked No.2 to Ovett.
In 84 he again won the 2 most important races of the year, the Olympic title and the Zurich race, which were also the 2nd and 3rd fastest times of the year.
But he came 2nd in one relatively unimportant race, and was ranked no 2, to Aouita, who put together a consistent and unbeaten season of a lot more international races.
I think this shows that 2 or 3 races against the best in the world just isn't enough to guarantee the No. 1 ranking.
This.
Star wrote:
Its is pretty hard to be ranked #1 when the Olympics is your one single international competition of the year.
They don't factor indoor in these rankings.
And having only the 19th fastest doesn't help the argument.
Kiprop has the fastest time in the world in the 1500.
He won the Prefontaine mile
He won the Bislett mile
He won Birmingham
He won Doha
He has losses in other races but I think you should get more credit for losing a race than for not showing up to race.
Kiprop - #1 this year
Interesting, if you included 1960-1976, the fastest was also the Olympic champ but that has definitely changed.
Star wrote:
There is not a good history of the Olympic 1500m champ getting the #1 ranking.
1980 Coe won, #1 was Ovett
1984 Coe won, #1 was Aouita
1988 Peter Rono won, #1 was Steve Cram
1992 Fermin Caco won, #1 was Morceli
1996 Morceli won and was ranked #1 (El G was a close 2nd)
2000 Ngeny won, #1 was El G
2004 El G won, #1 was Lagat
2008 Ramzi DDed gave Kiprop the win, #1 was Haron Keitany
2012 Makhloufi won, #1 was Kiplagat
2016 Centro won, #1 will be ...?
Since 1980 Morceli in 1996 is the only one to win the Olympic 1500 and be ranked #1 in the world that year.
But El G still had the fastest time in the world in 1996.
With that history why would we think that Centro's single race would earn him a #1 season ranking?