Mary Slaney's back!!!! Slaney doing 200-250 mpw!!! (On an Elliptigo)

likely still doping to win at ElliptiGO (or tiddlywinks) champs:

http://cavchronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Tiddlywinks-900x600.jpg

MSFC wrote:

Slaney is probably the most talented american woman ever.

Or the best responder to doping. Or the craziest doper. She was so extremely drugged up that she got caught in the 90s with the most ridiculous testing!

Uniyun wrote:

TDF wrote:

This is what you do when you can no longer run and you still enjoy the movement and the rush of a workout. Good for Mary! I ride the same mileage on my ElliptiGO, but still miss running.

Maybe that rush is what SFH was searching for in Vegas. Whatever works.

Yes, Suzy was doing 120 MPW in Vegas. (Men per week)

Consider this.... wrote:

rojo wrote:

She loves the feeling she gets from pushing it on an ElliptiGO:

http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/mary-decker-slaney-runs-again-50805?

Before discovering the device in 2012, she could only jog whicih she hated.

WTF happened to her left calf? It's gone!

Consider reading the article.

Too bad. She had great legs back in the day.

running with the dogs wrote:

Great to see her back getting out to work out hard and enjoying it.

Question on this part,

“My high-mileage weeks were 70 to 80 miles, but I couldn’t do a lot of those because if I did do them then I would be hurt the following week. So when I performed at my best on the track in the middle-distances I was training right around 50 to 60 miles a week.”

Emphasising quality over quantity, she adds that most of her own training miles were at a brisk pace. “I rarely ran slower than six-minute pace so it was always good quality training.”

Would that 50-60 mpw at not slower than 6:00 pace been even too much at a fast pace for training?

Yes it would. She says she didn't overtrain but I bet she did. I mean in the article she says she hated jogging. So basically she hated recovering and was tempoing every day. No wonder she got hurt all the time.

There is supposed to be a tradeoff for hard training. Nowadays with pill and thryoid meds, some of that tradeoff is gone.

No. I'm a 59-year-old guy and ran similar times to MD when younger. Also did similar mileage/intensity. I'm trying to come back from injuries now, and have been told to keep steady runs to 8 min/mile and it feels ridiculously slow.

When I was 50, I would have definitely wanted to be sub 7 min/mile, so I can well believe that 7-8 min miling would have felt like shuffling to a woman of that class, even at 50.

a great runner at 50 in that context meant someone who was a great runner and had turned 50. How do you know she was lying? It is totally probable that someone running all her miles under 6:00 pace at her best still did/does easy miles at 7-8 minute pace at 50.

Hi Mary! wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

And the film proves that she was tripped by Zola Budd, who stuck her left leg right in front of Slaney before trying to pass.

You say that but I just watched a film where it is extremely clear. It was linked her on this site.

Too bad she was double world champion in 1983.

Yes, her foot hit Decker's knee because she cut right in on her with no space to do so and then the key move was that Budd put her left foot out to the side directly in front of Decker and that caused the fall. Go to 56-60 sec and it is clear as day.

http://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/17251553/10-hard-take-moments-olympic-agony-bad-calls-bad-breaks

SFH providing service while on the EliptiGO - "I believe you pay extra for that!"

Uniyun wrote:

TDF wrote:

This is what you do when you can no longer run and you still enjoy the movement and the rush of a workout. Good for Mary! I ride the same mileage on my ElliptiGO, but still miss running.

Maybe that rush is what SFH was searching for in Vegas. Whatever works.

Cavorty wrote:

No. I'm a 59-year-old guy and ran similar times to MD when younger. Also did similar mileage/intensity. I'm trying to come back from injuries now, and have been told to keep steady runs to 8 min/mile and it feels ridiculously slow.

When I was 50, I would have definitely wanted to be sub 7 min/mile, so I can well believe that 7-8 min miling would have felt like shuffling to a woman of that class, even at 50.

"wanted to be sub 7:00" and having 7:00 miles "feel like shuffling" are two very different things.

I'm not buying what you or Mary are stating, sorry. (especially the 7:00 pace. if she wanted to say 8:00 and above, she should have, she didn't).

In High School I ran basically equivalent to what Mary's all-time PR's are in the 1500/mile. I ran a lot of miles with my teammates (most who weren't as fast as I was), so I did run "with in" myself, and I know we ran a fair amount of 7:00 miles, and no, even then it didn't "feel like shuffling." nope. It was pretty easy for me, but still felt like "real running", not slogging/shuffling, not at all. In my 30's, I came back after many injuries, and ran a few track races, and ran close to my HS times, and again, 7:00 pace on training runs didn't "feel iike shuffling." And yes, I was an 800/1500 guy with more pure speed than Mary. And everyone knows, as you age and slow down, the "feel" of running a slower speed is often similar to how you felt running the faster speed when younger. For instance, if I hit the track now, I feel like I am moving at sub 5:00 pace (for some shorter repeats). It's an effort, but it still FEELS fast, because I never hit those really fast speed any more, this is as fast as I move, so it feels like a sprint.

So.....even if she ran 6:00 pace for her training runs, 7:00 pace decades laters, when she doesn't do ANY speed or track races, should feel like she is MOVING, certainly not shuffling.

Same with you. Sorry, don't buy it.

That article doesn't paint her as a healthy, balanced individual. She is training 1.5 hours to 4 hours a day to try and win the ellipitigo championships. Arthritis everywhere. Pissed off because she couldn't manage going slower than 7 minutes per mile. It comes across as sad - her glory days were years ago. Her body has clearly communicated to her that it can't take much more and yet she is still driven to do whatever she can find to keep going. How about lifting, yoga, etc. It all comes across as quite sad - her glory days were long ago. Move on. Compare this story to a story on someone like Frank Shorter. He comes across as still exercising, but balanced and filled with a lot of other things in his life besides exercise

#GoBuffs

hrunner wrote:

That article doesn't paint her as a healthy, balanced individual. She is training 1.5 hours to 4 hours a day to try and win the ellipitigo championships. Arthritis everywhere. Pissed off because she couldn't manage going slower than 7 minutes per mile. It comes across as sad - her glory days were years ago. Her body has clearly communicated to her that it can't take much more and yet she is still driven to do whatever she can find to keep going. How about lifting, yoga, etc. It all comes across as quite sad - her glory days were long ago. Move on. Compare this story to a story on someone like Frank Shorter. He comes across as still exercising, but balanced and filled with a lot of other things in his life besides exercise

Seriously? She's done many more interviews this year with the premier of the film "The Fall," and if you had read or seen those, you would know she doesn't just ride her elliptigo all day. If I remember correctly, she enjoys quilting as well as organic gardening, and that cannot be as easy to do now with gnarled fingers. I admire her for not giving into it, and finding an athletic activity to quench her competitiveness. Not to mention she seems to be happily married and lives on a 50-acre property in a beautiful part of the country. We should all hope to be as successful when we reach our mid 50's.

I don't follow her life life you do - I am just reporting how the article came across. Being annoyed by shuffling in running. Trying to keep coming back, despite the drug charges, 30 surgeries and now spending up to four hours a day on an ellipitgo (which strikes me as boring as hell) - not how I want to spend my time when i am 58. Trying to win elliptigo championship? The article made is seem like she has difficulty sitting still being at peace

Uniyun wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

7 is on the low side of that range but you're saying that a great runner at 50 would have difficulty with that pace? Like Joan Benoit Samuelson did? She was running marathons at much faster than 7 minute pace in her 50s.

She ran 2:47 at age 53 after two other sub 2:50s in her 50s. And she still ran 2:51 at 54. (3:04=7 minute pace). When Mary Slaney was at her best, she front-ran dominating victories against the world's best, and therefore could have run significantly faster with pacers. And the film proves that she was tripped by Zola Budd, who stuck her left leg right in front of Slaney before trying to pass.

You don't get it. Slaney is lying. Slaney was not "a great runner at 50." She would have been working hard at 7 minute pace at age 50.

Disagree. I was never fast enough to run track in HS, and my 10K road PR was 37 min at age 33, but I was comfortably running 15-20 mi runs at age 51 at 7:30 pace, so I don't see why Mary couldn't run at 7:00 pace!

BTW, she's 58 now.

This is how (apparently) Meb did a lot of his training.

Based on his Olympics, he can no longer run either.[/quote]

...you're a dickhead