Laura MF Muir 3:55

[quote]rjm33 wrote:

Does anyone know anything about her coach and manager?

I think Andrew Butcher has improved more than Laura Muir.

Andrew's 5k time is still not a 12:54 (e.g. Dieter Doper Baumann …who was probably doing EPO in 1992 when he won the Olympic 5k…but nobody can prove it. There was no EPO test until 2000.)

The idea of using how people "look" as a criteria is silly.[/quotE

Agree.... especially if these guys ARE NOT AMERICAN (Paul Chelimo has improved even more than Butchart over the last two years....)

Her coach unless that has changed in 2016 is Steve Cram.

KAV wrote:

[quote]rjm33 wrote:

Does anyone know anything about her coach and manager?

I think Andrew Butcher has improved more than Laura Muir.

Andrew\'s 5k time is still not a 12:54 (e.g. Dieter Doper Baumann …who was probably doing EPO in 1992 when he won the Olympic 5k…but nobody can prove it. There was no EPO test until 2000.)

The idea of using how people \"look\" as a criteria is silly.[/quotE

Agree.... especially if these guys ARE NOT AMERICAN (Paul Chelimo has improved even more than Butchart over the last two years....)

Her coach unless that has changed in 2016 is Steve Cram.

Her coach is Andy young, Andrew butchart is coached by Derek Easton. If any of these guys were involved in drugs I\'d eat my 4 kids. Your looking in the wrong place. Athletes who didn\'t have the legs run off them as teenagers who are benefiting from applying themselves to their trade. All credit to them

KAV wrote:

[quote]rjm33 wrote:

Does anyone know anything about her coach and manager?

I think Andrew Butcher has improved more than Laura Muir.

Andrew's 5k time is still not a 12:54 (e.g. Dieter Doper Baumann …who was probably doing EPO in 1992 when he won the Olympic 5k…but nobody can prove it. There was no EPO test until 2000.)

The idea of using how people "look" as a criteria is silly.[/quotE

Agree.... especially if these guys ARE NOT AMERICAN (Paul Chelimo has improved even more than Butchart over the last two years....)

Her coach unless that has changed in 2016 is Steve Cram.

No its not! - that's Laura Weightman - also in the Olympic final

Joel68 wrote:

Exactly. Sad indictment on the state of athletics that any decent run and improvement is met with accusations of PEDs.

I expect to see Laura continue to improve over the next few years as she gets the benefit of being a full time athlete.

Fantastic run last night

Fair point ,but it's more than a 'decent run'

A quick glance at the alltime list will tell you that it is likely a clean world record

There is no clean time below 3-56 until yesterday

That can be said with some certainty

Replace "clean" for "white" and therein appears to lie that argument. Could be a worrying one.

Everyone ends up having to come up with their own criteria. How fast is "too fast"? How much improvement is "too much"?, etc...

The sum total often becomes a subjective "feeling" about a runner.

I know that my "feeling" changed for Genzebe Dibaba last year. She was a very talented runner from a young age. She was not always coached by Jama Aden. Then all of a sudden, she broke the world record, dropping 5 seconds from her PR. In 2016, there was Operation Rial at Sabadell, Spain.

Many people at this site thought she was clean when she ran the new world record. Things changed this year for many people. Some people believe she has always been clean and is still clean today.

Joel68 wrote:

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Metric Miler wrote:

People talking about drugs are misplaced also.

She is 22 and now a full time athlete (no uni) so looking at how much she has improved since she was 18 is hardly

evidence of doping.

Exactly. Sad indictment on the state of athletics that any decent run and improvement is met with accusations of PEDs.

I expect to see Laura continue to improve over the next few years as she gets the benefit of being a full time athlete.

Fantastic run last night

LMFAO off. "Decent run"

She's just became the fastest woman over 1500m who's not either a) a Chinese athlete from the 90s b) a doping Eastern European from the 80s or c)has a coach who just got busted for EPO.

If she wasn't British, commentators like Cram and Foster would be slinging mud in her direction as fast as they could shovel it.

And of course Laura herself would never raise the PED question against any of her competitors right?

shes either super talented and drugged,or super duper talented,and not on drugs.i for one,have no idea,although its a bit suspicious that shes faster than the russians,and look at how they turned out......

track expert. wrote:

There is no clean time below 3-56 until yesterday

That can be said with some certainty

FALSE! Take off your "white is right" goggles!!

Not at all, there are a few white Russians who are higher than her on the list. FYI I'm not white myself and always quick to call out a double standard like this, but in this case the Chinese/Dibaba/Russians have some suspicion on them with who they train with and who they are coached by. Muir doesn't have any of that yet.

Call me naive but purely just someone running fast (especially if they have had a steady progression) isn't reason alone to be suspicious. That would take all the fun out of T&F if every time someone ran fast, even if they had no doping connections, people just assume its a doped time.

Whatever you think about her re clean/dirty (and for the record, I'm 100% in the 'clean' camp), one thing is certain. There isn't a tougher athlete on the circuit, man or woman. Always ready to push hard from a long way out (usually off a fast pace) and make the others chase

I hope so, but I finally paid attention to her at the Olympics and what I noticed was a runner who's trunk and core was extremely stable much like Bekele, Dibaba, Galen and Mo (minus the head nod). Though she doesn't looked doped her times are approaching the outer edge and I've been fooled before.[/quote]

A runner who is trunk and core?[/quote]

yes we haven't seen the like of this since Elephant van Langen

I would be suspicious if she was a bobble-head running 3:49 (i.e. gapping the fastest KNOWN African/E Euro dopers). She isn't that far along the "stinky performance"scale, by some margin. If she starts going to "Healing Hans" and running another five seconds faster, I'll look askance.

jeff tallon wrote:

shes either super talented and drugged,or super duper talented,and not on drugs.i for one,have no idea,although its a bit suspicious that shes faster than the russians,and look at how they turned out......

^This.

Kicks Like A Mule wrote:

I would be suspicious if she was a bobble-head running 3:49 (i.e. gapping the fastest KNOWN African/E Euro dopers). She isn't that far along the "stinky performance"scale, by some margin. If she starts going to "Healing Hans" and running another five seconds faster, I'll look askance.

And this^ also.

Although to make that a fair comparison, use 3:47 - really "gapping the fastest KNOWN African/E Euro dopers" like Paula did.

Gilfoyle wrote:

Let's just hope Laura Muir's boyfriend (if she has one) isn't a pro cyclist...

That's the first thing I look for these days when people come out of nowhere.

Does she pass this test?

Did you check about Clayton Murphy's relatives?

Speaking of coming out of nowhere. Objectively the most suspicious track performance of Rio.

Are you TRYING to make her look suspicious?

Has she revealed her TUEs or not? I don't trust athletes who refuse to.

Joel68 wrote:

Sad indictment on the state of athletics that any decent run and improvement is met with accusations of PEDs.

I take your point, but this hardly counts as just any "decent" run. She's where very few have gone, and even fewer have gone clean.