World Record women's steeplechase - Jebet run 8:52.78 at 2016 Diamond League France

Les wrote:

IAAF scoring tables ranks Jebet's WR steeple at 1264 points. For comparison, they rank Ayana's 10k at 1288 points, Genzebe Dibaba's 1500 at 1287 and Tirunesh Dibaba's 5k at 1260 points.

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Thats about right but maybe a little weaker than that since the steeples are lower than the men's version. 8:40s should be around the corner.

Kicks Like A Mule wrote:

You are comparing the steeple to one of the most doped performances of all-time, equivalent to a 4:03 mile, 3:46 1500. Even the doped Russians could only get 8:58.

Kayamba wrote:

maybe a little weaker than that since the steeples are lower than the men's

The hurdles are proportional to women's strength and height.

They are proportional wrote:

Kayamba wrote:

maybe a little weaker than that since the steeples are lower than the men's

The hurdles are proportional to women's strength and height.

Really?, so who was it exactly that figured out this magical ratio?

Just happened to be a perfect 6"...keep thinking that.

Galkina 5'9" Coburn 5'8"

Shaheen 5'9" Kipruto 5'9" Koech 5'7"

Hurdles are much easier for women at 30". They should be at least 33"

Yes. Doped to doped. Works both ways and doped or not 7%. 3-4 years 8:40 coming.

You're the dope wrote:

Kicks Like A Mule wrote:

You are comparing the steeple to one of the most doped performances of all-time, equivalent to a 4:03 mile, 3:46 1500. Even the doped Russians could only get 8:58.

Simplemath wrote:

They are proportional wrote:

The hurdles are proportional to women's strength and height.

Really?, so who was it exactly that figured out this magical ratio?

Just happened to be a perfect 6"...keep thinking that.

Galkina 5'9" Coburn 5'8"

Shaheen 5'9" Kipruto 5'9" Koech 5'7"

Hurdles are much easier for women at 30". They should be at least 33"

True. Its like saying 1500m is equivalent to one mile or vice versa. They should start to introduce women to full height steeples then we can compare the times and ratios with those of men.

How fast could a horse run this horse race?

Steeple blows wrote:

How fast could a horse run this horse race?

As fast as rop, sorry I mean Rupp can run a Rupp cert race.

i think she lives,and trains in kenya,though.she competes for bahrain,but has never lived or trained there.

Simplemath wrote:

They are proportional wrote:

The hurdles are proportional to women's strength and height.

Really?, so who was it exactly that figured out this magical ratio?

Just happened to be a perfect 6"...keep thinking that.

Galkina 5'9" Coburn 5'8"

Shaheen 5'9" Kipruto 5'9" Koech 5'7"

Hurdles are much easier for women at 30". They should be at least 33"

Exactly. The objective for both men and women is to clear your buttocks, and the difference in clearance height is going to be approximately half as high as the runners height -- so that a 5'6" steeplechaser is going to need to jump 3" higher than the 6' steeplechaser to have the same clearance. You might stick your pointy finger in the air and proclaim 'A Ha! proof that its better to be taller than shorter" Except for the fact that the 6' steeplechaser is going to have to lift more wight to get over that barrier. The taller runner with longer legs is also going to have a less forgivng trajectory path than the shorter runner since his legs are 3" longer. There are tradeoffs, but in general, for the steeplechase, as for the rest of distance events .. "you can't teach small."

Womens hurdles at 30" are ridiculously low, Even the 110m hurdles (33") are way too low.

It's not just the height, it's the power. Testosterone confers a 10% power advantage, which is about 3", not considering height differences or tendon strength.Another angle is to look at the ratio of the men's to women's high jump, which is 0.85. Multiply times 36" and you get 30.7".

Men's steeples are 36" (intermediate hurdle height; pro HH 42")

Women's steeples are 30" (intermediate hurdle height; HH 33")

What should change is women's 100HH height--33" doesn't require much technique.

Special skills wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

Couldn't break 9 for a flat 3k before this year

Shows up in Olympic year with Bahraini citizenship and runs 8:59, then 8:53 steeple

Wonder how that happened

She is not that much of an exception. If you look all steeple chasers as well as hurdlers, they tend to be relatively slower over flatter races than over barriers. Most elite men 400m hurdlers running 48 or even 47 seconds can only run 45 seconds high on the flat 400m with only very few running low 45. Ezekiel Kemboi is 7:55 steepler but has only run 7:44 over the flat distance while world record holder Shaheen with 7:53 has run 7:32. It is therefore an unfair comparison. At the same time I am not denying that her progress is quite astounding.

Shaheen also ran a 12:48 5k in a race where he wrecked El G

Kayamba wrote:

maybe a little weaker than that since the steeples are lower than the men's

They are proportional wrote:

The hurdles are proportional to women's strength and height.

Simplemath wrote:

Really?, so who was it exactly that figured out this magical ratio?

Just happened to be a perfect 6"...keep thinking that.

Galkina 5'9" Coburn 5'8"

Shaheen 5'9" Kipruto 5'9" Koech 5'7"

Hurdles are much easier for women at 30". They should be at least 33"

News flash:

Men are much stronger and faster than women, regardless of height.

Men's high jump: 2.45 meters

Women's high jump: 2.09 meters ... difference 1.17225 ... 36" / 1.172 = 30.7"

This is not even including the average inseam height difference between women and men,

which greatly affects the height that can be cleared, and which should be included for a more accurate comparison.

In the meantime, 30" is a good compromise, but by no means is this height any easier for women than is 36" for men.

Kicks Like A Mule wrote:

It's not just the height, it's the power. Testosterone confers a 10% power advantage, which is about 3", not considering height differences or tendon strength.

Another angle is to look at the ratio of the men's to women's high jump, which is 0.85. Multiply times 36" and you get 30.7".

I just now saw your message. GMTA!

HardLoper wrote:

Couldn't break 9 for a flat 3k before this year

Shows up in Olympic year with Bahraini citizenship and runs 8:59, then 8:53 steeple

Wonder how that happened

Hard work and a new place to live- the beautiful countryside of Bahrain, with all the endless trails for putting in the dope-free miles. THAT is how Jebet did that she did. #CleanSport #Bahrain4Life #FormerKenyan

Was gonna say the same. The barriers for women are about 20 % lower than men's. Just like there's a 20 % difference between male and female performance in jumping events: high jump, long jump, triple jump, and pole vault. What exactly is the reasoning for that miraculously women would be better at jumping over barriers than everything else? It is a submaximal jump, yes, but relatively at a similar difficulty level as for men. Your morans.

Ruth Jebet ~ 5' 4" 51kg

Mahiedine Mekhissi-Benabbad ~ 6' 3"

You guys are also forgetting that the water jump is more difficult for women then men - same length, but in addition to not being as strong as men, women are jumping off from a lower height, meaning women tend to land deeper and suffer more of an impact in the water.