John Smith coached runner - Youssef Al-Masrahi of Saudi Arabia - busted for EPO. Why do sprinters use EPO?

douglas burke wrote:

NOTE- This is NOT my former wrestling teammate at Oklahoma State who won 2 Olympic Golds and 6 straight Olympic World Championships who is now the Oklahoma State Wrestling coach and who did the Wrestling commentary for the RIO Olympics last week.

Weird 2 people with identical names.

Multiple people are named John Smith. Who would have guessed?

John Smith also coached Carmelita Jeter during her 10.6x efforts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4HcKooU2v8

Sprinters using EPO isn't news.

It was found that Marion Jones was using EPO for training.

EPO doped 400 runner from Saudi Arabia....Gotta catch those camels ya know!!!!

rojo wrote:

Guy was pretty good.

400 m 6th at World Championships 2013

400 m 8th at World Championships 2015

Anyone want to tell me what EPO does for a sprinter?

I thought the 400m has a significant, non-negligible aerobic component. If EPO aids in oxygen delivery, wouldn't that be the reason right there?

Crack Lies Matter wrote:Have you ever run the 400 - in a real race? Even a few "extra steps" before the lactate brings you down can make a big difference. And with EPO helping you process more oxygen...

This isn't 1970. Everyone has none for many years that lactate helps you not hurts you. It's correlation not causation.

MOAT wrote:

Every athlete benefits from increased oxygen uptake. It has nothing to do with a certain distance where it becomes a factor.

do they REALLY? I love the pseudoscience tossed around on the boards. forget actually learning any biology or physiology....or heaven forbid actually reading the latest research:

took me 5 minutes on pubmed. a glance at the abstracts looks to say O2 delivery is not limiting in high intensity exercise to exhaustion...

I wonder if Clyde's 400m runners also took EPO.

Salty Cat wrote:

I wonder if Clyde's 400m runners also took EPO.

Yeah, this is what I'm wondering as well. EPO and a bit of androgel.

The 400m is still 10 -15% aerobic. It can make a huge difference.

exthrower wrote:

Isn't John Smith the clown who raised a clenched fist during the Olympic ceremonies? Dumbazz sprinter who would be pushing a broom if he hadn't been lucky enough to be born on the US...

No, clown. That was John Carlos and Tommie Smith.

jjjjjj wrote:

You don't need studies to know that the 400m is better with more oxygen carrying blood cells. Try running one hard and see how your breathing goes.

What studies am I talking about. I ran the 400m as a teenager.

Too, after the Ben Johnson debacle, John Smith testified at the Dubin Inquiry about his experience with anabolic steroids, which started at least in the early '70s, and likely contributed to the hamstring strain that impacted his career in 1972.

on and on and on. wrote:

And who is his coach?

John Smith.

Yes, the same John Smith who coached Maurice Greene and who coaches English Gardner.

The same John Smith who Salazar sends his athletes to so that they can "work on form."

The same John Smith who is paid by Nike.

rojo wrote:

Guy was pretty good.

400 m 6th at World Championships 2013

400 m 8th at World Championships 2015

Anyone want to tell me what EPO does for a sprinter?

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/masrahi-receives-four-year-ban-following-epo-positive/

EPO definitely benefits sprinter, even 100m sprinters, weightlifters and even bodybuilder use. Any sport that involves muscles can benefit from increased endurance and a 400m sprinter definitely benefits, especially 400m training. When muscles starts to fatigue, even for an activity that only last a few seconds, if helps to have more oxygenated blood in your muscles. It is important to not that any sprinter taking EPO is almost certainly taking other drugs as well.

It is doubtful Smith is involved in doping a foreign athlete, but based on what I put forward many years ago, Smith's coaching career would be done. Any coach with 3 athletes busted for doping is held accountable and I think this is number 3 for Coach Smith.

Caster Semen.....ya wrote:

Good link, remember reading this at the time.

On Mo Greene,

"Greene, who also won four world championship gold medals and ran under 10 seconds in the 100m a record 52 times, has always denied being involved in doping, but admits he paid for supplies from Heredia."

As if Ato Bolden was clean,

"now taint everyone who has worked with you, even if they decided not to go this DRUG route. Say what you want about me and my failure to win the BIG ones, but I did it cleanly"

Funny joke. Hey Ato if you're reading this mate I still don't believe you.

Ato himself experienced roid rage right after the 100m final in Atlanta where he wanted to have a go at Big Linford.

Well...good for him some people prevented that....Linford in those days was certainly not a nice, lovable and approachable person.

he would have taken epo with steroids,and a whole hodge podge of other drugs.part of a program.

i think you guys are forgetting some very KEY things, you think EPO only helps you make more red blood cells? you dont think you also make more plasma? and plasma is the TRANSPORTER of the RBC's, vit and minerals, nutrients, waste and helps maintain the pH of 7.4

the problem with all you noobs is how you think a PED works and listen to renato and his BS....at first EPO was only used by cyclists and no one else, then it was speculated that runners were using it but only 10k and cross guys and it didnt work for el g or the 800....

NO WAY A SPRINTER would use EPO what for? then marion and tim dwain chambers and even power lifters!

now renato is claiming it doesnt work for kenyans and idiots believe him!?! thats like saying rasta's dont get high smoking POT, or eskimos dont need warm clothes...

anabolic steroids main thing is building stronger muscles, but you have to be a fool to think it doesnt do other things...if it can cause roid rage why would you think it wont have other pros/cons? like stronger tendons, faster recovery, creation of RBC and WBC? oh wait it has proven to do all that....maybe it helps maintain higher immune system, muscle memory, maybe it helps muscle recruitment? maybe it can help fast twitch act like slow and slow to act like fast?

think about it how does an 11.5 kelly white drop down to 10.7 just cause her muscles got stronger? no there is way more going on in there than you noobs understand.

now take EPO, its main thing is make RBCs right? but what else does it do? since renato claims it doesnt work yet 100m-marathon athletes are using it then there has to be more benefits than just more RBCs.

my guess is that EPO also helps recover cell tissue faster, more resilient, helps connective tissue strength all over the body, helps the immune system, nervous system and how fast neurons fire. on top of the fact that it causes more production of RBCs. now you add this to a micro dose cocktail of HGH, THG, and thyroid meds and you can hit 51 last 400 of a 5k in your 40's or run 9.58 (and yes you already need to have loads of talent)

on that note i have just tried looking at all sorts of sites on blood plasma...cant find anything on how its created, just that its great to donate it, and it makes up 55% of volume of "blood"

so again my guess is that EPO makes more plasma as well and i cant find it anywhere but im guessing plasma is created in the bone marrow as well, and its packed full of all the good stuff. more plasma more good stuff, more good stuff the longer lasting "ALL" your cells in your body last. maybe thats how lagat is the "fountain of youth" athlete...and im pretty sure i read on this LR that teg and solinsky were taking blood platelets, maybe thats to mask micro dose EPO, or maybe they took it to make their RBC's last longer than the 120 days or what

There was NO TEST for EPO in the 1990's. Did Clyde coach any fast runners back then? Even in the early 2000's, the test was easily beatable. Any fast guys under Hart back then?

Salty Cat wrote:

I wonder if Clyde's 400m runners also took EPO.