Does Caster Semenya have a Y chromosome or not?

Great! Please explain, and I’ll concede.

Dr. R wrote:

Great! Please explain, and I’ll concede.

You're stupid.

Letsrun at it’s finest.

I encourage you to read up on the issue!

B&G&D wrote:

Dr. R wrote:

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Son, you lost this debate pages ago. Move on now.

Agree.

Dr. R wrote:

....I've explained why she is female, and why she should have every right to be described as such based not only on her biology but also on sociological factors.....

You do realize she is married to a women right? And she dresses in men's clothing right? And behaves like a male as well?

But only for purposes of athletics is she sociologically female, but even the way she runs and celebrates (flexing) is more male than female.

Married to a woman and wearing men’s clothing doesn’t mean unfair advantage.

Dr R wrote:

Married to a woman and wearing men’s clothing doesn’t mean unfair advantage.

Agreed, but it does speak to Semenya's character. She lives her life as a man in all respects other than athletics, where asserting her identity as a women is undeniably lucrative for her. How convenient. There are some intersex athletes who may be competing at some level who are not aware of their condition, but Semenya is not one of them. She knows that she has an excess of testosterone that gives her an enormous advantage over women who do not have internal testes. She is aware of what she is doing.

I’m heartbroken, truly

Right, I suppose it’s a matter of determining the extent of her sensitivity to T and then proceeding from there. Not sure what the solution should be but awareness/sensitivity is key. If sports is going to legislate gender it should be done with caution.

I’ve read the possibility of hormonal therapy to suppress T and level the playing field, so maybe that’s an option. But there is bad precedent for the toll it takes. Britain did that and it was more or less a disaster. Alan Turing is a case in point. Different politics, reasoning, etc., but reading personal accounts of what it’s like gives me the idea that it’s fairly awful and not a practical long term solution.

Mupopo, I knew she was really a he within 2 seconds

Dr. R wrote:

Alan Turing is a case in point.

WTF?

he didn't get T therapy

Armstronglivs wrote:

Dr. R wrote:

Every human starts as female in utero.

So really, we are all still female? That's the most strained argument yet that I've seen for saying a person with male chromosomes, testes and male levels of testosterone is one helluva woman. You live in a very confused world, sir. Of course, we are only one chromosome different from chimpanzees, too, so I guess we should also be including them in the competition.

Only if they identify as human. Nike should definately sign some up. It would be awesome.

Dr R wrote:

Married to a woman and wearing men’s clothing doesn’t mean unfair advantage.

When you're a Y chromosome Man - it sure does.

Paying attention wrote:

Dr R wrote:

Married to a woman and wearing men’s clothing doesn’t mean unfair advantage.

When you're a Y chromosome Man - it sure does.

Regardless of your DNA, marrying a woman and wearing men’s clothing does not confer an unfair advantage.