Does Caster Semenya have a Y chromosome or not?

Dr R wrote:

And Mutola and Marion Jones?

Haha, you obviously don't know much about T&F/running if you question Marion Jones on a thread about gender and Y chromosome.

It was a rhetorical question; masculine qualities don’t always equal XY.

I ran D1 for a top 10 program since you asked. I could give you my PRs too, but I doubt you would believe them.

Not confused at all, but appreciate the comment.

People here are suggesting she race against men and not women. Whether they intended it or not that amounts to categorizing her as a certain gender.

jeff tallon wrote:

nobody really knows.same with francine niyonsaba,kabange mupopo,maria mutola,margaret wambui,dutee chand,santhi soundarajan, and dorcas ajok.they might be xy,or it could be they are biological women,who happen to have more testosterone than other women.

Niyonsaba did say she was high testosterone but we aren't 100% sure it's a case of XY but it is likely. Wambui on testo suppression can't break 1:59.

Prejudice is a natural part of human cognition. Awareness of it is important when it comes to identity, race, gender, etc.

Just about XY cases in general,

I've read that a female with XY many times can have malfunctioning androgen receptors in which case the extra androgen testosterone produced wouldn't yield the same benefit as it would in males with normal functioning receptors--since the receptors are what manage the effects of androgen on the body. This would help explain why not all XY females are masculine looking. I consulted with a couple colleagues today who mentioned something along these lines, but know I'm oversimplifying. Maybe someone here can enlighten us.

Dr. R wrote:

I've read that a female with XY many times can have .....

People who have Y chromosomes are not female and have never been female.

This is not a problem with gender (or sex, as gender is typically defined as that which you identify with whereas sex is a purely biological factor; regardless of your proclivities, I think it's clear people can fall in between the lines on either) but rather a shortcoming of sport as it has no way of handling a "spectrum."

Yes, there may not be many cases of these individuals, but are they not entitled to the same rights as everyone else? Is competition in athletics a fundamental "human right." That is, in my opinion, the real question, and I do not know how it should be answered yet.

dunes runner wrote:

Dr. R wrote:

I've read that a female with XY many times can have .....

People who have Y chromosomes are not female and have never been female.

Why isn't the ruling that if you have a Y chromosome you can not compete in the female classification? If yiou have a Y you must compete in the open/men group.

Every human starts as female in utero.

Some cases of female XY involve a mutation of the X chromosome that causes the body to resist androgen, which is what produces masculine traits. Maybe you still insist on calling them male but they didn't develop that way.

dunes runner wrote:

People who have Y chromosomes are not female and have never been female.

Well, either you are correct and men can have babies, or you are an uneducated jackhole with a 3rd grade education and no clue what you are talking about.

Why isn't it this simple wrote:

Why isn't the ruling that if you have a Y chromosome you can not compete in the female classification? If yiou have a Y you must compete in the open/men group.

Indeed, that should be the ruling.

YMMV wrote:

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

Pure and simple.

No Y and/or DSD people should EVER be allowed to compete with XX female women people.

All Y and/or DSD people need to be permanently banned from competing in XX female women's events.

dunes runner wrote:

Pure and simple.

No Y and/or DSD people should EVER be allowed to compete with XX female women people.

All Y and/or DSD people need to be permanently banned from competing in XX female women's events.

... and you should be permanently banned from ever reproducing your ignorance.

Glad you pointed this out. I can't seem to get any info on how common CAH actually is.

I doubt you will be convinced or even attempt to read the facts about why this isn't so simple. As I mentioned, there are cases of females with intersex traits that get no advantage from testosterone. Testosterone produces male sex characteristics and some XY individuals are completely insensitive to it. They are essentially female and there is no advantage to speak of.

Dr. R wrote:

Not confused at all, but appreciate the comment.

People here are suggesting she race against men and not women. Whether they intended it or not that amounts to categorizing her as a certain gender.

No it doesn't, it amounts to you suggesting they are, two different things.

Also, identifying as a certain gender doesn't make you so.

There's confusion to which gender Semenya is, seems a bit of both.

YMMV wrote:

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

dunes runner wrote:

Pure and simple.

No Y and/or DSD people should EVER be allowed to compete with XX female women people.

All Y and/or DSD people need to be permanently banned from competing in XX female women's events.

Only an idiot troll would disagree with this.