Shut up. You don't make the rules. Too bad they don't cater to your worthless desires.
Shut up. You don't make the rules. Too bad they don't cater to your worthless desires.
Consider this.... wrote:
It would actually make more sense though. Until your entire body crosses the plane, you haven't completely covered the full race distance. Hypothetically, as it stands now, a 100 meter tall person could just fall forward from the starting line and win the 100 meter dash without running a step!
This is a stupid hypo, but Someone 100 meters tall would take longer than 12 seconds to fall.
Swimmers use their fingertips - runners should do the same.
If you start the race with your feet behind the line and your chest leaning over it, and your time is stopped by your chest crossing the finish line, you're actually being timed for a shorter distance.
Wasn't any controversy in 2008 when USA swept the men's 400m with a dive:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7598005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLaVIPlPm6g
If you change the rule we have to give Bahamas a bronze medal back.
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Should eliminate any question or controversy.
There's no controversy. One of Kersee the Chemist's runners lost. Get over it.
THE RULE IS FINE AS IT IS!!!!!!!
Now the controversy just shifts to determining when the last part of the body crosses the line.
rojo wrote:
malmo wrote:Exactly.
I don't know about that. The maintenance guy in my building said, "Robert did you see that race last night? I don't think that's right. They let that girl win the race even though she cheated an dove across the line. The American should have won."
My buddy was on flotrack last night and said lots of people were saying int he comment box they thought it was cheating as well.
I responded, "Welll that's why you shouldn't be on flotrack."
Based on my reading of letsrun.com the same could said of this site.
It is not like this is the first time this has happened. Anyway, it looked like she tripped more than dove.
if it ain't broke... wrote:
Stop this wrote:There is already no controversy.
This. There was a race result that some Americans don't like. I didn't hear the same complaints after the Christian Smith's dive in the 2008 Olympic Trials.
+100.
The 'controversy' exists only on this forum so if I was the IAAF I wouldn't worry about it too much. The amount of shit that passes through this forum is immense. Leaning is part of the game, if an athlete doesn't like it she can lean too. The fall did not help Miller anyway. She would have run faster staying on her feet with a normal lean.
D-Nice wrote:
BTW, can you post on LR, without replying to a previous post?
Make two posts with the first so vulgar that it gets deleted.
The winner is the first person whose entire body crosses the finish line and who runs through the finish line. That is, the runner who runs the entire distance the fastest wins.
You are disqualified if you do not make a complete stride through the finish line. Collapsing, falling, diving across the line are disqualifications. You did not run the entire distance of the event.
A race on the track is not run up to a dive or any other non-running motion. Running the entire distance is essential.
Falling and getting up during the race is not a disqualification if the runner receives no external assistance.
Diving to win Olympic Gold is completely dishonorable. It's not running.
Shaunae Miller won the 399 meter dive.
Felix won the 400 meter sprint (or dash).
you walked into this one wrote:
On the other hand, maybe an athlete could get a boob job and shave a few hundredths off their time.
2020 Usain Bolt with a boob job. THAT would be amazing.
Boobsain Bolt.
Consider this.... wrote:
Should eliminate any question or controversy.
What's the controversy other than you making Americans look bad by being a a cry baby? That's track.
I think they should be required to go one step further. They should be required to completely cross the finish line, but the clock will not stop until the competitor has dropped to one knee and completed the sign of the cross. We are a Christian nation after all.
It would be entirely reasonable to determine finish order from front of the runners' hips/ waist at the finish line.
World records would change very, very little . It would still make sense to make a small dip with your last stride.
Runners could still try to dive across the line but it would almost never benefit you. ( I believe the photo finish clearly showed Allyson Felix's waist in front of Miller's waist at the line) The current rule acknowledges that runners shouldn't win a race by stretching out with their hands or feet. It doesn't make any sense to award a runner for diving/falling down at the end of a "running" race.
All that said, Miller deserves the gold under the rules as they are.
At the beginning of the race, the competitors are crouched down and bent over, with their hands at the starting line.
Shaunae Miller was just replicating that position at the finish line, creating a very balanced race.
Consider this.... wrote:
It would actually make more sense though. Until your entire body crosses the plane, you haven't completely covered the full race distance. Hypothetically, as it stands now, a 100 meter tall person could just fall forward from the starting line and win the 100 meter dash without running a step!
This would only make sense if your'e retarded enough to forget that they start the race behind the line. So the torso crossing the finish line is actually the entire race distance.
and in other news wrote:
And in other news, the Kentucky Derby will now determine winners by which horse's tail finishes across the line first. And Nascar, rear bumpers. And le tour, rear wheels.
It was an idea worth a quick ponder until this. Great point. Analogies make the argument solidly.
if it ain't broke... wrote:
Consider this.... wrote:It would actually make more sense though. Until your entire body crosses the plane, you haven't completely covered the full race distance.
What? Runners are behind the line when the race starts, so they have covered the full distance once they make it to (not across) the finish line.
The start line and finish line are 400m apart. If you start behind the start line, then you've covered 400m as soon as you reach the finish line, not once you've fully crossed it.
I guess the only way to deal with this would be that you have to touch the starting line at your furthest rear point of the body. While intriguing, it only adds more complexity, not less.
And, folks, it's a bit of controversy. Which draws more attention to our amazing sport than just great performances (listen to sports radio talk shows for proof controversy draws eyes and ears and minds).
Olympic Truth wrote:
Consider this.... wrote:It would actually make more sense though. Until your entire body crosses the plane, you haven't completely covered the full race distance. Hypothetically, as it stands now, a 100 meter tall person could just fall forward from the starting line and win the 100 meter dash without running a step!
This is a stupid hypo, but Someone 100 meters tall would take longer than 12 seconds to fall.
It takes 4.52 seconds to fall 100 meters.
Since d = (1/2)gt^2 where g = 9.8 m/s^2, when d = 100, we have t = (200/9.8)^(1/2) = 4.52.
A 100 meter tall person would crush Bolt's world record with just a fall.