Salazar and Rupp Address Doping Allegations in Huge Profile

good article i guess wrote:

I love how Craig Virgin calls out Rupp for PEDs for that post race wrkt, even though his 5000m PB is only 18 seconds faster than Galen Rupp ran in high school. His 5k PB is basically Rupp's 10k pace. He was truly a great runner, but in a different (lesser) league ability wise

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Opofu wrote:

good article i guess wrote:

I love how Craig Virgin calls out Rupp for PEDs for that post race wrkt, even though his 5000m PB is only 18 seconds faster than Galen Rupp ran in high school. His 5k PB is basically Rupp's 10k pace. He was truly a great runner, but in a different (lesser) league ability wise

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Are you kidding? By what standard do you judge Rupp to be less "tough" than Virgin? As far as I can tell, Rupp is about as tough as any distance runner around. When was his last bad Olympic/World final? His last bad U.S. Championships? His last serious injury?. He's about as consistent as anyone at that level could hope to be. He can race tactically (like London 2012 and many other occasions) but has also tried racing from the front at times (like his bold but ill-fated move at the Trials 5k this year). He's good in the heat, he's good on both the road and the track. What else could he possibly be lacking in order to be "tough"?

No way_ wrote:

Opofu wrote:

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Are you kidding? By what standard do you judge Rupp to be less "tough" than Virgin? As far as I can tell, Rupp is about as tough as any distance runner around. When was his last bad Olympic/World final? His last bad U.S. Championships? His last serious injury?. He's about as consistent as anyone at that level could hope to be. He can race tactically (like London 2012 and many other occasions) but has also tried racing from the front at times (like his bold but ill-fated move at the Trials 5k this year). He's good in the heat, he's good on both the road and the track. What else could he possibly be lacking in order to be "tough"?

Not as tough or successful as Virgin.

Opofu wrote:

Not as tough or successful as Virgin.

+1

Olympic Silver medal.........american records.....3:50 milerOlympic marathon trials champ in first marathon.10k ARthere's a long list of sh*t i could write hererecords, wins, willingness to go for it in lots of races and new distancesam I missing something? I know Virgin was an awesome runner in his day, not trying to discount that. He was exciting. are you hurt Rupp doesn't run XC races as a pro?look at their wikipedia pages and tell me how Rupp isn't a better runner in terms of medals, wins, and times.

PLUS 1 wrote:

Opofu wrote:

Not as tough or successful as Virgin.

+1

Opofu wrote:

No way_ wrote:

Are you kidding? By what standard do you judge Rupp to be less "tough" than Virgin? As far as I can tell, Rupp is about as tough as any distance runner around. When was his last bad Olympic/World final? His last bad U.S. Championships? His last serious injury?. He's about as consistent as anyone at that level could hope to be. He can race tactically (like London 2012 and many other occasions) but has also tried racing from the front at times (like his bold but ill-fated move at the Trials 5k this year). He's good in the heat, he's good on both the road and the track. What else could he possibly be lacking in order to be "tough"?

Not as tough or successful as Virgin.

We're going to have to disagree on this. I am inclined to think that no amount of reasoning could convince you that Rupp isn't horrible.

Both domestically and internationally, Rupp has been a vastly more prolific track runner than Virgin was (more US titles, more top Olympic/Worlds finishes + a medal). Virgin's cross country success was great, but Rupp doesn't even bother with XC. I don't think that Rupp (or anybody else) would trade his Olympic track medal for Virgin's 2 cross titles.

Rupp could also easily handle Virgin at a race of literally any distance.

Based on that workout he's obviously in great 10k shape. 8 x 1 mile (7 of 'em in low 4:2x, then the last one in 4:15 (the article quotes 3:15, so assuming they meant 4:15), followed by 3 x 300m in 42. Given that this was part of a 140 mile week, he is likely in close to AR shape for the 10k.

And don't forget, what I think is one of the more revealing bits of the article, that AlSal said: ""Right now Galen is the only marathoner in our group,” Salazar says. “But also, he is so far out in front of what those other guys are doing…” Salazar pauses, but doesn’t finish the thought.""

AlSal likely knows what kind of work Farah is doing, and he makes it sound like Rupp is doing much more.

I think Rupp is a solid contender for the silver/bronze in the 10k (the Kenyans apparently suck in the heat as per their trials results) and a wildcard for the bronze in the marathon.

good article i guess wrote:

Olympic Silver medal.........american records.....

3:50 miler

Olympic marathon trials champ in first marathon.

10k AR

there's a long list of sh*t i could write here

records, wins, willingness to go for it in lots of races and new distances

am I missing something? I know Virgin was an awesome runner in his day, not trying to discount that. He was exciting. are you hurt Rupp doesn't run XC races as a pro?

look at their wikipedia pages and tell me how Rupp isn't a better runner in terms of medals, wins, and times.

PLUS 1 wrote:

+1

You are a simpleton. Virgin won 2 World Cross Country titles. Galen is afraid to compete in this event. Galen is not as tough or successful as Virgin.

Opofu wrote:

good article i guess wrote:

I love how Craig Virgin calls out Rupp for PEDs for that post race wrkt, even though his 5000m PB is only 18 seconds faster than Galen Rupp ran in high school. His 5k PB is basically Rupp's 10k pace. He was truly a great runner, but in a different (lesser) league ability wise

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Who competed in softer time period (in direct comparison). When everyone is slow, a 13:19/27:29 guy seems amazing. He's more like Alan Culppepper than Galen Rupp, just ran against a different less competitive breed of athletes. People like to glorify old timers as tough. They were tough for their generation, there's a reason however runners are destroying times (on average) in HS even. They work harder and smarter.

Mrr82 wrote:

Opofu wrote:

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Who competed in softer time period (in direct comparison). When everyone is slow, a 13:19/27:29 guy seems amazing. He's more like Alan Culppepper than Galen Rupp, just ran against a different less competitive breed of athletes. People like to glorify old timers as tough. They were tough for their generation, there's a reason however runners are destroying times (on average) in HS even. They work harder and smarter.

You are beyond STUPID.

Opofu wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Who competed in softer time period (in direct comparison). When everyone is slow, a 13:19/27:29 guy seems amazing. He's more like Alan Culppepper than Galen Rupp, just ran against a different less competitive breed of athletes. People like to glorify old timers as tough. They were tough for their generation, there's a reason however runners are destroying times (on average) in HS even. They work harder and smarter.

You are beyond STUPID.

I see you had nothing to say to my last post (but have gone on angrily insulting other posters), which means you can't effectively answer the points I made for why Rupp is clearly more successful. I think you are part troll and part very bitter person. I am done here.

XC was a big thing back in your day, but it isn't any more. Track and marathoning are where the studs compete now.those are pretty much facts, i'm sorry.there are lots of other runners "afraid" to compete in cross country. make a list, and you'll notice that it's pretty much every runner but kamworor and farah for the men, and basically every woman.bekele did it back in the day, and he's way better than rupp or virgin, so i'll take care of that retort for you.cross country doesn't necessarily help you. Salazar is so bloody calculated, he would have added it to the schedule if he saw value in it for Galen Rupp. Rupp hasn't been injured, that's big.don't call people simpletons because their opinion is different than yours, old timer...LASTLY, GALEN RUPP WON A SILVER MEDAL IN THE OLYMPICS.all caps.

Opofu wrote:

Not as tough or successful as Virgin.

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You are a simpleton. Virgin won 2 World Cross Country titles. Galen is afraid to compete in this event. Galen is not as tough or successful as Virgin.[/quote]

The reason is PEDS; when the truth comes out please follow up with your apologies.

Mrr82 wrote:

Opofu wrote:

You have no clue. Virgin was an international champion who was tougher than nails. Rupp is not.

Who competed in softer time period (in direct comparison). When everyone is slow, a 13:19/27:29 guy seems amazing. He's more like Alan Culppepper than Galen Rupp, just ran against a different less competitive breed of athletes. People like to glorify old timers as tough. They were tough for their generation, there's a reason however runners are destroying times (on average) in HS even. They work harder and smarter.

Rupp will not medal. These guys are going to take it out like they did in China and blast the hell out of it. No way Rupp runs 2:05-2:06. He will DNF or be around 8-12th in 2:09-2:11.

you act like you know the future and Rupp's fitnessi'm not saying he's going to medal, but that's likely the goal for NOP and they probably have a sense of what it will take. I'm sure he was in 2:08-2:10 shape for LA trials to be sure he could qualify. I'm guessing he has gotten fitter since then. that's safe to assume, right?i'm also guessing the heat training he's been doing is also preparing him very well, or at least as good as any of the other runners. they'll have either decided the race will be fast like you say or it will be a more tactical thing. Regardless, I bet he'll be in 2:06-2:07 shape. (assuming he is capable of that as an athlete)he'll have the 10k in his legs, so that changes things a lot, but sometimes having a race under your belt relaxes you a bit. you get acclimated, take more risks, and don't treat it so preciously. (unless it's just icing on the cake to get another olympic race and prepare for his ultimate marathoning career?)the way Salazar prepares Rupp for stuff, it's hard to imagine they would have gone to the marathon without thoughts of doing well.i think you saying Rupp will not medal is the same for any of the guys in the race, to be honest. It's a crazy chaotic race in a crazy chaotic place/climate. The olympic marathon is always a wildcard where anything happensMeb got a silver medal! He's slow and probably not capable of faster than 2:08:30 as his career has shown.

Donger wrote:

Rupp will not medal. These guys are going to take it out like they did in China and blast the hell out of it. No way Rupp runs 2:05-2:06. He will DNF or be around 8-12th in 2:09-2:11.

This is stupid. Salazar and Rupp have been saying the goal is GOLD. Not a medal. The bums on the site were skeptical before London 2012 while Salazar and Rupp were confident. I'm certain Galen will win a gold medal.

You think they, of all people and after ~15 years, would throw away their goal and take moral victories? LOL.

George Hirsch wrote:

Huhhh? wrote:

Huh?

For sure one of the best Americans ever, but not in the world.

Um, yes he is. Name one white distance runner who is better.

Reallyfedupwithstupid-peeps wrote:

The reason is PEDS; when the truth comes out please follow up with your apologies.

Don't hold your breath.

Stephano Baldini was in the marathon.