Brandon Miller, 14-Year old -split 1:51.23!!!

I won't yet annoint him as the next world record holder however I doubt that many kids who he beat will be beating him in 4 years; most will not be running and those who are will still be 10 seconds slower.

He just split a 48.6, at this point his future is a complete coin toss for me.

Wasn't this an 800m race, and not a relay?

I think "split" usually means it was an 800m leg in a relay. This time is more impressive because it was from a standing start, and he had to react to the gun (which is not the case for legs 2, 3, and 4 on a relay).

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It was a relay? wrote:

Wasn't this an 800m race, and not a relay?

I think "split" usually means it was an 800m leg in a relay. This time is more impressive because it was from a standing start, and he had to react to the gun (which is not the case for legs 2, 3, and 4 on a relay).

By -split the OP meant 'negative split' not 'he split 1:51.

Ok, he's already faster than 80%+ of the LetsRun poster. Even if does not improve at all from now on. He still ran a good 800m. Let's leave it at that.

Actually, his splits were so inconsistent, that this is surely equivalent to a 1:49 performance, which is probably faster than 95%+ of the letsrun posters. No, he did not actually run 1:49 however (and he may never will), but...

Euyfcecefecf wrote:

Ok, he's already faster than 80%+ of the LetsRun poste..

Seriously?? Are you mocking letsrunners exaggerated notions of themselves, or just bad with math/reality. He's faster than 99.5- 99.9% of the visitors to this site. A looooot of people have visited. Mostly slow people. There are definitely some faster than him. But it's an extreme minority.

Lol a 14 year old would probably win the NCAA D3 800m given he's in the race. He is capable right now of sub 1:50 in the right race.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Euyfcecefecf wrote:

Ok, he's already faster than 80%+ of the LetsRun poste..

Seriously?? Are you mocking letsrunners exaggerated notions of themselves, or just bad with math/reality. He's faster than 99.5- 99.9% of the visitors to this site. A looooot of people have visited. Mostly slow people. There are definitely some faster than him. But it's an extreme minority.

I think there is a fair few guy on here that have gone sub 1:50.

Jeff See broke Webb's sophomore mile record with a 4:03. 4:03 as a sophomore! And look how he turned out. Yeah, he AA at OSU a couple times and turned pro, but for the most part he's done absolutely nothing memorable as a professional and will end his career with zero world teams, Olympic teams, or top 3 finishes at outdoor USA champs (unsure about indoor because nobody cares about indoor)

That dude looks like he is in his mid 20s. There is no way to predict how his career will end up and based on the odds, his career has a better chance at being lackluster than inspiring.

Stuff you like to pee out wrote:

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That dude looks like he is in his mid 20s. There is no way to predict how his career will end up and based on the odds, his career has a better chance at being lackluster than inspiring.

What is your 800m PB?

I can recall Elias Geydon (Loyola/Oregon/?) running 1:55/4:05 in 8th grade. Where is he now? Anyone know?

Stuff you like to pee out wrote:

Jeff See broke Webb's sophomore mile record with a 4:03. 4:03 as a sophomore! And look how he turned out. Yeah, he AA at OSU a couple times and turned pro, but for the most part he's done absolutely nothing memorable as a professional and will end his career with zero world teams, Olympic teams, or top 3 finishes at outdoor USA champs (unsure about indoor because nobody cares about indoor)

Yes, but...Heidi See

Sheesh, if there's anything everyone should learn in the sport is that success right now is no predictor of future success in track and field ... or in any athletic endeavor. Fun (though eventually annoying) to predict, but ridiculous to think anyone knows. All that matters is the accomplishment itself -- it's fantastic -- but trying to predict how he'll be running at 16, 18, 22 or 28 is ludicrous.

And, similarly, it's equally impossible to predict how 14-year-old Joe AnyKid who runs 2:25 right now will do at 16, 18, 22 or 28.

SUCCESS RIGHT NOW DOES NOT PREDICT FUTURE SUCCESS.

Completely agreed. But I find it hard to believe it's just 2-4 miles per week. A normal sprint sessions for 100/200 runners at this age amounts to 200m total (5x40 etc). And he did a 4:30 mile so he obviously has done some aerobic work. Kuddos and congrats to the kid but 4 miles is something I can't believe.

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This kid is just more mature physically than most kids he's racing against. Period. Yes, most of the time kids who develop later end up faster. Considering how most things turn out, it's safe to say this kid will never make the Olympic team. Mark it now. He'll never make it and will likely never break 1:46 (and he'll probably end up slower than that).

Yep the odds of him breaking 1:46 are low. But the are orders of magnitude higher than anyone else (include the kids who mature later). Odds of making an olympic team are even lower.

Does he have another 2-3 big improvements (i.e. to 148, 145, 1:43) in him? Who knows. He can't control how mature (looks like a pretty normal 14/15 year old to me) he is and running slower now isn't going to make him faster later.

I just hope he stays mostly injury free for the next 6-8 and we can see what happens. Maybe he is the next Rudisha. Maybe he burns out in 2 years and is never heard from. Maybe he pulls a Wheating and has a great year and then never fullfills all that promise. Part of the fun in track is seeing guys like this coming and imagining what could be.

What should be fun is next year when he gets to run against top flight HS competition. Get him in a race with a couple of 1:49 guys and see what happens.

What exactly is "a quality collegiate experience"?

Getting overtrained because of the demand for multiple events at meets and breaking down? Partying? Or furthering your education?

If this kid is running 1.46 or faster at 16, then the only thing College can offer him is the education part. He'd be better off turning pro and going to College just for the courses, and for a job when he's finished running.

This just in from the future: Brandon Miller goes home DEVASTATED!

You could say that about ANYONE and be right you d!psh!t!

The fact is this kid is FAR FAR more likely to make an Olympic team than any other 14yo. Even if his chances are slim, that is a fact. Everyone elses chances are way slimmer.

If there were Vegas odds on every 14yo. ALL THE FRIGGIN money would be on him.

Were you also spouting this nonsense about Ajee Wilson (Olympics/ WC team)? Reavyn Rodgers (NCAA champ) Both hold numerous age group records.

Stuff you like to pee out wrote:

Jeff See broke Webb's sophomore mile record with a 4:03. 4:03 as a sophomore! And look how he turned out. Yeah, he AA at OSU a couple times and turned pro, but for the most part he's done absolutely nothing memorable as a professional and will end his career with zero world teams, Olympic teams, or top 3 finishes at outdoor USA champs (unsure about indoor because nobody cares about indoor)

That dude looks like he is in his mid 20s. There is no way to predict how his career will end up and based on the odds, his career has a better chance at being lackluster than inspiring.

he ran 4:03 as a senior, 4:06 as a sophomore. get your facts straight.