Aden's athletes test negative, will compete in Rio

rekrunner wrote:

In the interest of accuracy, Jama Aden was found with vitamin shots in his hotel room, and in the syringes in the dumpsters, not unlike Torrence told us.

According to this report:

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/atletismo/2016-06-26/dopaje-sabadell-jama-aden-operacion-rial-mossos-doping_1222935/

They only found EPO in the rooms of:

Jama Ourid Mounir

Musaeb Balla or Yemen roomate

Note that, as a matter of fact, none of these men are Jama Aden, although one is named Jama. Coincidence?

The Spanish police and courts did not arrest, detain, or try Aden for EPO, or any other substance prohibited by WADA, but for non-prohibited substances still considered illegal to give to athletes in Spain.

Maybe Aden's athletes found a better proven way than micro-dosing to test negative -- no dosing.

Devil Dog wrote:

WTF are you talking about ROJO? From the very beginning, every report has been that dozens of vials of EPO and steroids were found in Aden's room, and that surveillance videos showed Aden himself discarded the syringes in numerous dumpsters.

Furthermore, the man would not have been arrested, had felony charges laid forth, had his passport revoked, and have been banned from Rio had he not been the one caught with illegal drugs in his possession.

ROJO, you are spouting dangerous falsehoods when you claim on your website that drugs were not found in Aden's room. Why would you try to change the story?

Ghetto Fabulous wrote:

still waiting... wrote:

Some reports say that EPO was found in Aden's room:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/athletics/rio-2016-top-athletics-coach-arrested-in-spain-after-raid-finds-traces-of-epo-20160621-gpny92.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3651196/Drug-cops-swoop-coach-Jama-Aden-EPO-banned-substances-hotel-room.html

Maybe these reports were mistaken or garbled, but that's not clear yet. AFAIK, there hasn't been a public document issued by the Spanish police saying definitively whether Spanish police claim that Aden was found with EPO in his room - whatever the Spanish equivalent of an indictment or information would be spelling out the exact charges.

What sucks for track and field is that there is no way that the legal process can be resolved before the Olympics and there will inevitably be a cloud over any event involving Aden's athletes.

They have video of aden disposing of used syringes, way away from the nearest and the most convenient trash can. The guy has the same personality as Lance armstrong. Just go look at his interview after he was released.

jimjamesrunner wrote:

I routinely drug test several demographics worth of people. People with very limited resources consistently find ways to pass drug tests. If we were to find metamphetamine in the home of someone who presents several symptoms of meth use, but routinely passes their drug tests, they would still get into trouble because we don't have that difficult of a time of putting two and two together.

You find (what seemed to be) copious amounts of drugs in the training camp of a woman who is virtually unbeatable and is setting world records left and right, but she passes her drug screens. What do you assume? She definitely dopes. 100%. It does not matter what anyone else says. If she was truly clean, she would not put herself at risk of being associated with something that she does not do. They will lie through their teeth to protect her and everyone else. I see it everyday in my job, it's the exact same pattern of behaviors.

Blood dEPOr wrote:

jimjamesrunner wrote:

I routinely drug test several demographics worth of people. People with very limited resources consistently find ways to pass drug tests. If we were to find metamphetamine in the home of someone who presents several symptoms of meth use, but routinely passes their drug tests, they would still get into trouble because we don't have that difficult of a time of putting two and two together.

You find (what seemed to be) copious amounts of drugs in the training camp of a woman who is virtually unbeatable and is setting world records left and right, but she passes her drug screens. What do you assume? She definitely dopes. 100%. It does not matter what anyone else says. If she was truly clean, she would not put herself at risk of being associated with something that she does not do. They will lie through their teeth to protect her and everyone else. I see it everyday in my job, it's the exact same pattern of behaviors.

This.

Then add into the mix the strong financial imbalance between drug using elite athletes, sponsors etc vs the drug testing agencies.

The drug testers only serve to lose sports money... through removing top talent and lowering interest and viewership by bad publicity.

Nobody wants clean sport.

Stupid internet troll wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Someone from uk who worked with him in the hotel claimed on FB that the physio arrested with Jama was not working with him. As a team like that would always have an on site physio, I asked where the physio Jama did use was.

No reply

He was giving me info unti I posed that question

You make no sense/

> guy says physio didn't work with Jama.

> you wildly claim that a team like that would always have a physio;

Which proves exactly nothing. The group might have 1) had a different physio, 2) did not have a physio, or 3) the guy didn't know if they did or they didn't.

> you asked where the physio was, and the guy didn't answer you.

Which proves even less than nothing. Here we go, 1) the guy went to dinner and wasn't there anymore, 2) he had realized how stupid you were and blocked you, 3) he was busy and talking to someone else, 4) he went out for training, 5) he was in the shower, 6) he was watching tv, 7) his wife came home and they were busy together, 8) he was the physio, 9) he was the police investigating you and soon will be knocking on your door and locking you up.

Recreational vehicle runner wrote:

I do not think that is logical.

For one thing, WADA has annual spending of about $30 million per year. This is also about the annual income of 1 famous athlete for Nike named Maria "Meldonium" Sharapova.

There were also only 62 used syringes, 23 preloaded EPO syringes, and 6 vials of 4 different kinds of EPO (not 3 different kinds) which were:

1) Epotin

2) Eprex

3) Neorecormon

4) Aranesp (darbepotin alfa)

This could all be for one or two non-runners who just happened to be at the hotel and had their room paid for Jama Aden…since he is known as being very generous with people that he does not know and never has known. He will also probably never know them in the future.

The 6 vials of EPO could also be labeled incorrectly. They could actually be placebo vitamin injections that were labeled as EPO... to trick the athletes into believing that they were getting 'real' EPO injections (which probably do not do anything anyway)…when they were actually just getting vitamin injections.

The strong "mental placebo belief effect" is used by genius "training facilitator" and "stop watch holding guy" to Mo Farah and coach of many great natural clean runners…Mr. Jama Aden.

This is a logical and rational explanation.

Recreational vehicle runner wrote:

Blood dEPOr wrote:

This.

Then add into the mix the strong financial imbalance between drug using elite athletes, sponsors etc vs the drug testing agencies.

The drug testers only serve to lose sports money... through removing top talent and lowering interest and viewership by bad publicity.

Nobody wants clean sport.

I do not think that is logical.

For one thing, WADA has annual spending of about $30 million per year. This is also about the annual income of 1 famous athlete for Nike named Maria "Meldonium" Sharapova.

There were also only 62 used syringes, 23 preloaded EPO syringes, and 6 vials of 4 different kinds of EPO (not 3 different kinds) which were:

1) Epotin

2) Eprex

3) Neorecormon

4) Aranesp (darbepotin alfa)

This could all be for one or two non-runners who just happened to be at the hotel and had their room paid for Jama Aden…since he is known as being very generous with people that he does not know and never has known. He will also probably never know them in the future.

The 6 vials of EPO could also be labeled incorrectly. They could actually be placebo vitamin injections that were labeled as EPO... to trick the athletes into believing that they were getting 'real' EPO injections (which probably do not do anything anyway)…when they were actually just getting vitamin injections.

The strong "mental placebo belief effect" is used by genius "training facilitator" and "stop watch holding guy" to Mo Farah and coach of many great natural clean runners…Mr. Jama Aden.

This is a logical and rational explanation.

rekrunnr wrote:

Recreational vehicle runner wrote:

I do not think that is logical.

For one thing, WADA has annual spending of about $30 million per year. This is also about the annual income of 1 famous athlete for Nike named Maria "Meldonium" Sharapova.

There were also only 62 used syringes, 23 preloaded EPO syringes, and 6 vials of 4 different kinds of EPO (not 3 different kinds) which were:

1) Epotin

2) Eprex

3) Neorecormon

4) Aranesp (darbepotin alfa)

This could all be for one or two non-runners who just happened to be at the hotel and had their room paid for Jama Aden…since he is known as being very generous with people that he does not know and never has known. He will also probably never know them in the future.

The 6 vials of EPO could also be labeled incorrectly. They could actually be placebo vitamin injections that were labeled as EPO... to trick the athletes into believing that they were getting 'real' EPO injections (which probably do not do anything anyway)…when they were actually just getting vitamin injections.

The strong "mental placebo belief effect" is used by genius "training facilitator" and "stop watch holding guy" to Mo Farah and coach of many great natural clean runners…Mr. Jama Aden.

This is a logical and rational explanation.

As always, I looked at all the facts without prejudice: The above statements are the correct answers.