David Torrence Stands by His Bernard Lagat Comments

Guest Who? wrote:

David Torrence "stands" by what he said. Did he read the report? I have on multiple occasions. It's funny though, DT recently tweeted his 2 line story of Lagat A sample / Lagat B sample and then "end of story".

The only end of story here is Torrence as an American. Traitor Torrence. Turncoat Torrence. Good Riddance Torrance. We can have fun with this all Olympics long.

Viva Peru!

"End of story" - ha. Pathetic hit-and-run by someone who doesn't have the brains to talk about the real story. Would Torrence have a conversation with Lagat about this, to his face, on camera? No, because Lagat would politely embarrass Torrence verbally and mentally, before offering to embarrass him at any distance from 1500 to the marathon.

Meanwhile, Torrence had a very suspicious 4-second drop in his 1500 PR in one season, the season he started with Jama Aden, the most prolific doper of mid-d athletes on eart:

. End of story.

diafhasdlifj wrote:

You ppl are all total idiots and delusional. It is SO incredibly easy to micro dose and avoid positive tests. Many friends do it. The tests are wayyyyyy behind...

Alberto, only you have that special secret in-house lab that test better than the USADA can. You've had it so long you think everyone has one. Only you have the money from a super rich backer to pay for such specialty.

Hey David Torrence here is a good caption in case you forget it! A 30 years old competes for an other country because he can keep up with slow americans. Lets see how many golds you win in Rio. https://twitter.com/Lagat1500

You are an idiot. For one, Farah is juiced, you do realize he has like 20 TUE's? How is a guy like that supposed to be a hero to the natural athlete? He is a science project just like Rupp and definitely just like Lagat. Torrence spoke the truth and of course the Nike reps are on here commenting to support their science projects. Clowns

Go Torrence! Way to preserve the sport. Lagat is dirty. Explain why the gap in time from A sample to B sample? Let me explain how it works, he was given the opportunity during that period of time to either lawyer up and find a way off or pay them off and allow them to find an excuse. The lawyer route would have been timely and also not a good look for him to be investigated or have to put his hand on the bible and tell the "truth".

LAGAT-DIRTY

TORRENCE- TRUTH

period

Peruvian sour grapes wrote:

[quote]Guest Who? wrote:

David Torrence "stands" by what he said. Did he read the report? I have on multiple occasions. It's funny though, DT recently tweeted his 2 line story of Lagat A sample / Lagat B sample and then "end of story".

The only end of story here is Torrence as an American. Traitor Torrence. Turncoat Torrence. Good Riddance Torrance. We can have fun with this all Olympics long.

Viva Peru!

"End of story" - ha. Pathetic hit-and-run by someone who doesn't have the brains to talk about the real story. Would Torrence have a conversation with Lagat about this, to his face, on camera? No, because Lagat would politely embarrass Torrence verbally and mentally, before offering to embarrass him at any distance from 1500 to the marathon.

I'd pay to see that lol

rjm33 wrote:

Oh boy. This is also not a good omen.

Please stop it Mo Farah and Brits.

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/999936883377631/?type=3&theater

It is just a coincidence.

RJM, what is your suspicion of hypo2? I think you've posted about them a lot. Or is it more about the Flagstaff thing.

Devil Dog wrote:

I've been very critical of athletes and times of the EPO era. Bernard was a part of that era, and ran 3:26. In my book, he's as suspicious as any of them.

BUT...

All of a sudden we're talking about "rumors" floating around Lagat for years? Aside from the false A sample, there have been NO rumors floating around Lagat. People are now deciding to fabricate stories that never existed in the first place. Lagat has long been one of the most respected and liked guys on the circuit.

It's just as likely that Lagat was a great natural talent, capable of 3:29/3:30, and realised that the only way he could compete with EL G and Ngeny was to take EPO as well, at a time when there was no reliable test that could detect it, bringing him down to 3:26.

Once the test became more reliable in 2005, followed by the blood passport, he stopped taking and went back to being what he was before EPO.

And what are the long term benefits of taking EPO for a long time? We already know there is a lot of evidence that steroid use gives advantages that remain long after the athlete stops using.

Regardless of the confusion surrounding the false positive A sample in 2003, I would be very surprised if any of those running ridiculously fast times from 1994 - 2005 weren't using EPO. And that includes Lagat.

Do you realize how much success Lagat has had, long after 2005? Double gold in '07, silver/bronze in '09, silver in '11, 4th in '12. Plus personal bests at pretty much every distance over the mile (including 12:53 in 2011). Maybe he's a doper, but this is a weak argument.

DT is doing a great thing getting the conversation started. Elites know Lagat is dirty, just like elite cyclist knew Lance was dirty. If you guys on these message boards only knew how many elites thanked DT after he spoke up. This will hopefully be just the beginning

N cafe TR wrote:

DT is doing a great thing getting the conversation started. Elites know Lagat is dirty, just like elite cyclist knew Lance was dirty. If you guys on these message boards only knew how many elites thanked DT after he spoke up. This will hopefully be just the beginning

Elites gave first hand knowledge accounts of Lance doping. DT is just spouting nonsense about an old test that he clearly hasn't studied the results of. Not comparable.

The people "thanking" DT are just jealous of Lagat is better than them.

Maybe if DT didn't run away to Peru because he was to slow for America people world listen more, he's taking the easy way out to be in the Olympics, in fact he shouldn't even be talking about running here since he doing want to take part.

Lagoat wrote:

Peruvian sour grapes wrote:

[quote]Guest Who? wrote:

David Torrence "stands" by what he said. Did he read the report? I have on multiple occasions. It's funny though, DT recently tweeted his 2 line story of Lagat A sample / Lagat B sample and then "end of story".

The only end of story here is Torrence as an American. Traitor Torrence. Turncoat Torrence. Good Riddance Torrance. We can have fun with this all Olympics long.

Viva Peru!

"End of story" - ha. Pathetic hit-and-run by someone who doesn't have the brains to talk about the real story. Would Torrence have a conversation with Lagat about this, to his face, on camera? No, because Lagat would politely embarrass Torrence verbally and mentally, before offering to embarrass him at any distance from 1500 to the marathon.

I'd pay to see that lol

How does it feel for Torrence, in his "prime" to be slower than Lagat at all distances? So much bitterness and all he can do us grasp at 13 year-old straws.

Just mad Jama Aden didn't give him the whole "program."

If you are still enough of a Pollyanna to think Bernard Lagat is clean,

Please go register your unicorn, and make sure you get her the requisite vaccinations .

Lagat is clean. ZERO positives in a 20+ year career at the top levels.

You are a monomaniac to believe otherwise.

shameful wrote:

Lagoat wrote:

"End of story" - ha. Pathetic hit-and-run by someone who doesn't have the brains to talk about the real story. Would Torrence have a conversation with Lagat about this, to his face, on camera? No, because Lagat would politely embarrass Torrence verbally and mentally, before offering to embarrass him at any distance from 1500 to the marathon.

I'd pay to see that lol

How does it feel for Torrence, in his "prime" to be slower than Lagat at all distances? So much bitterness and all he can do us grasp at 13 year-old straws.

Just mad Jama Aden didn't give him the whole "program."

How does it feel for everyone who posts here to be slower than Torrence?

SlowTurtle wrote:

Hey David Torrence here is a good caption in case you forget it! A 30 years old competes for an other country because he can keep up with slow americans. Lets see how many golds you win in Rio.

https://twitter.com/Lagat1500

I think you meant "can't keep up". Well, he just beat 2 of our 1500m Olympians in a 1500m race. Yeah, it was a fairly meaningless race (but less meaningless for Torrence than the guys competing on teams), and 3:34 is nothing to sneeze at. Will he win gold in Rio ? No. Will he win a medal in Rio? No. Will he make the final? I give him 50-50 chance. Which is about the same chance I give to Andrews and Blankenship.

wejo wrote:

I asked Torrence about his comments on Lagat at the Olympic Trials and he stood by them and said a lot of athletes had thanked him for saying them. Torrence also said since he runs for Peru now, he sees things differently than a lot of Americans. Interview here:

https://youtu.be/lmKFJymq7uc

Lol he's been running for Peru for like 3 months. How does make his view any different, he just someone who's using his status to spew trash on a great human being who has wronged no-one

I love this whole thread. People are willing to believe that Lagat was fully natty running 3:26 low right behind El Guerrouj who without a doubt was on the gas. 41 years old and closing in 53 low is highly suspicious. Kenya's anti-doping is a joke and he participated in competitive running before EPO tests were rampant.

People only cheer for Lagat because he's an American. You cannot prove anything but all signs point to hot sauce. Take of the blinders and see the light. The whole "Ageless Wonder" thing is BS and great for the USOC as well as the IOC since it builds a narrative.

Harambe69 wrote:

I love this whole thread. People are willing to believe that Lagat was fully natty running 3:26 low right behind El Guerrouj who without a doubt was on the gas. 41 years old and closing in 53 low is highly suspicious. Kenya's anti-doping is a joke and he participated in competitive running before EPO tests were rampant.

People only cheer for Lagat because he's an American. You cannot prove anything but all signs point to hot sauce. Take of the blinders and see the light. The whole "Ageless Wonder" thing is BS and great for the USOC as well as the IOC since it builds a narrative.

The only light I see you wearing bigotry goggles that are welded on to you skull.