Curtis Beach 49.87 400h. Did he wait a month too late to pick his event?
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Curtis Beach 49.87 400h. Did he wait a month too late to pick his event?
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But remember, those decathletes are mediocre, at best!
Pure comedy gold wrote:
But remember, those decathletes are mediocre, at best!
Actually this reinforces the point that doing the decathlon is a waste of talent that could instead be focused on a real event.
Actually no, it doesn't. If you believe that there shouldn't be ONE event that is a compilation of a near entire spectrum of Track AND Field, that is your prerogative. Your calling of the decathlon and/or heptathlon, a non-event, is comical. There is a system to training multiple-events as one, and you obviously lack that comprehension. Go ahead and "bring back the 880", it demonstrates your small-mindedness.
Bring Back the 880 wrote:
Pure comedy gold wrote:But remember, those decathletes are mediocre, at best!
Actually this reinforces the point that doing the decathlon is a waste of talent that could instead be focused on a real event.
Curtis Beach was clearly not in shape at trials, he didn't have one good events on 10. However, he is surely gifted as a 400/800 runner (1.47 800m while training for the decathlon). Since he doesn't seem to be able to improve his poor throws maybe he should drop decathlon and focus on 400hs/800. This time is very good for his first experience.
I really hope he pursues this
I know that the combined events are the only TF events decided by points rather than by the tape measure or who crosses the line first.
Yes, some of the greatest athletes of all time have done well in decathlon. That doesn't mean it isn't a contrived mess.
Sasuke wrote:
Curtis Beach was clearly not in shape at trials, he didn't have one good events on 10. However, he is surely gifted as a 400/800 runner (1.47 800m while training for the decathlon). Since he doesn't seem to be able to improve his poor throws maybe he should drop decathlon and focus on 400hs/800. This time is very good for his first experience.
When Beach started to make a name for himself in 2008 and 2009, breaking the high school record, there seemed to be so much promise for him.
http://www.usatf.org/news/view.aspx?DUID=USATF_2009_06_27_16_37_04At the NCAA Outdoor Championships, he was 2nd in 2011 and 7th in 2013. He won the NCAA Indoor Hept in 2012 & 2014 He made his first appearance at the USATF Outdoor Championships in 2011, finishing 7th. Then 11th at the 2012 Olympic Trials, 11th in 2015, and 9th in 2016.
I enjoy watching the decathlon, but I don't follow the competitors closely enough to know what challenges each of them has been having, e.g. injuries and training setbacks. But in 2009 or even 2011, I would have thought that he'd be competing for the top 3 spots by 2016.
hurdlesorbust wrote:
Curtis Beach 49.87 400h. Did he wait a month too late to pick his event?
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Maybe it's time to drug test him.
He trains for hurdles, and the 400m, putting the two together isn't very complicated.
Can people please not act like he has never trained. A year of training specifically for the 400h will probably leave him around the same. Maybe 49 flat. He already indirectly trains for the 400h.
The year he did the 400H, Eaton ran 48.69, but I recall him starting just under 50 as well.
He also has real 800 talent if he wanted to pursue it. He ran 1:47 and decathletes do almost no endurance training, unlike 400H which they somewhat indirectly train for.
Someone else's opinion wrote:
He trains for hurdles, and the 400m, putting the two together isn't very complicated.
Can people please not act like he has never trained. A year of training specifically for the 400h will probably leave him around the same. Maybe 49 flat. He already indirectly trains for the 400h.
False - the three events are very different.
The 400 hurdles require a kind of fitness to a 400/800 runner. It is not as technical as the highs, and doesn't require the same amount of explosiveness.
The real difference is that the 400h is primarily a rhythm event. A really great athlete can muscle his way to 49 high, but it requires a lot of specific work and race experience to control the race.
Unless you're Bershawn Jackson...
Cali Guy wrote:
Someone else's opinion wrote:He trains for hurdles, and the 400m, putting the two together isn't very complicated.
Can people please not act like he has never trained. A year of training specifically for the 400h will probably leave him around the same. Maybe 49 flat. He already indirectly trains for the 400h.
False - the three events are very different.
The 400 hurdles require a kind of fitness to a 400/800 runner. It is not as technical as the highs, and doesn't require the same amount of explosiveness.
The real difference is that the 400h is primarily a rhythm event. A really great athlete can muscle his way to 49 high, but it requires a lot of specific work and race experience to control the race.
Unless you're Bershawn Jackson...
I agree with your sentiment. But the 400h is less of a rhythm event than the 110mh. The 400m is definitely technical though at those speeds. Learning to take the correct number of steps and when to begin to alternate is a big deal.
Beach would certainly improve a fair bit if he focused on this event.
Bring Back the 880 wrote:
I know that the combined events are the only TF events decided by points rather than by the tape measure or who crosses the line first.
I'm sorry, but this might be one of the dumbest statements in the history of letsrun.
The. Points. Are. Awarded. By. The Tape. Or. The. Stopwatch. Not by some fat Hungarian judge with a grudge.
That said, I'd love to see the Decathlon 1500 do a staggered start based on points from the first nine events. The 1500 is usually anti-climactic as the winner is somewhere in the middle, and you really don't know who is in what place until points are tallied. So, have the top 8 or 10 in the final heat: The points leader goes first, then each subsequent athlete goes off based on how much time he'd need to make up to win, so first across the line wins.
+1
Cali Guy wrote:
Someone else's opinion wrote:He trains for hurdles, and the 400m, putting the two together isn't very complicated.
Can people please not act like he has never trained. A year of training specifically for the 400h will probably leave him around the same. Maybe 49 flat. He already indirectly trains for the 400h.
False - the three events are very different.
The 400 hurdles require a kind of fitness to a 400/800 runner. It is not as technical as the highs, and doesn't require the same amount of explosiveness.
The real difference is that the 400h is primarily a rhythm event. A really great athlete can muscle his way to 49 high, but it requires a lot of specific work and race experience to control the race.
Unless you're Bershawn Jackson...
+1
Although, the only way to really see if he'd have potential is to see the race. Anybody catch it? Or even better, can provide a link? If he ran 49.87 looking like a hot mess step/rhthym wise then he could potentially be a contender given his combination of 400 speed and 800 strength. If he looked smooth throughout , then he's probably about tapped out potential wise. Remember, a smooth intermediate hurdler should be able to run 400h about 3 sec slower than his 400 meter flat time. The great Edwin Moses did it with about a 2 second differential. A rougher race will put you 4-5 sec back, which is why in theory a 400 stud can "muscle" a 49. Curtis being a 46 second flat guy could be at the edge of his potential. But again, gotta see the race.
Berknee wrote:
That said, I'd love to see the Decathlon 1500 do a staggered start based on points from the first nine events. The 1500 is usually anti-climactic as the winner is somewhere in the middle, and you really don't know who is in what place until points are tallied. So, have the top 8 or 10 in the final heat: The points leader goes first, then each subsequent athlete goes off based on how much time he'd need to make up to win, so first across the line wins.
AWESOME IDEA!
Berknee wrote:
The. Points. Are. Awarded. By. The Tape. Or. The. Stopwatch. Not by some fat Hungarian judge with a grudge.
False. Who do you think comes up with the point tables?
That said, I'd love to see the Decathlon 1500 do a staggered start based on points from the first nine events. The 1500 is usually anti-climactic as the winner is somewhere in the middle, and you really don't know who is in what place until points are tallied. So, have the top 8 or 10 in the final heat: The points leader goes first, then each subsequent athlete goes off based on how much time he'd need to make up to win, so first across the line wins.
Dumb idea.
Berknee wrote:
[quote]Bring Back the 880 wrote:
The. Points. Are. Awarded. By. The Tape. Or. The. Stopwatch. Not by some fat Hungarian judge with a grudge.
But someone decided how much the points are and therefore which events are weighted compared to one another
rowberringer wrote:
Berknee wrote:[quote]Bring Back the 880 wrote:
The. Points. Are. Awarded. By. The Tape. Or. The. Stopwatch. Not by some fat Hungarian judge with a grudge.
But someone decided how much the points are and therefore which events are weighted compared to one another
Pretty sure the points tables were established years and years ago with a point value of 1000 for the world record and each mark awarded on a straight linear scale. So, once again the tape and the stopwatch were the standard setters not some "judge with a grudge"
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