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No no, only black lives with internal testes matter here mate!! Don't you forget!

WADA has not looked at Actovegin extensively; they took a position (or lack thereof), and just moved on. In fact, texts reviewing the current state of doping in sport call for it to be re-examined ("Drug in Sport", Mottram). It was banned by the IOC after the USPS fiasco (and Sydney Olympics reports), but the UCI refused to comply, so the IOC rescinded the ban, promising further investigation before the 2002 Winter Olympics. That never happened, and it hasn't been revisited since.

rekrunner wrote:

This.

WADA has looked at Actovegin extensively, and basically compares it to iron.

It was banned for a short time, by the IOC, for the simple reason that many athletes were found taking it with a wrong motivation. I guess they decided that they couldn't ban a drug based on a wives tale.

(Meldonium sounds like it is banned for the same reason, without a clear robust finding that it is either dangerous, or performance enhancing.)

I don't want to dance around the word "extensively". I don't know when or how frequently, but there have been independent laboratory analyses, and WADA keeps monitoring Actovegin as late as 2011. There current position is that it's basically like injecting vitamins.From 2011, http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7324261/germany-dr-hans-wilhelm-muller-wohlfahrta-great-healer-quack-hyperactive-syringe"To this point, independent laboratory analyses of Actovegin have uncovered no traces of growth hormone or prohibited substances, according to World Anti-Doping Agency officials. The group's lead scientist, Dr. Olivier Rabin, refers to it simply as a "supervitamin for blood."""The reason why we have an interest and keep monitoring it ..." says Rabin, the WADA science director.Rabin says. "I am not saying Actovegin doesn't work, but looking at its composition there are no growth factors, there is no protein and only good nutrients in there."From 2009, http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/actovegin-aid-doping-world-anti-doping-agency-article-1.435858"Actovegin is rich in iron, manganese, amino acids, and other nutrients"But by all means -- re-examine it to learn more.

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[quote]External Testes wrote:

[quote]Burnsy wrote:

"Muller-Wohlfahrt used his right hand to deliver 14 injections into her lower back. Another two were directed into the front of her right hip, followed by four into the top of her left foot."

WADA violation, no?[/quote

It's called acupuncture, so no. Nowhere in that article does it say he was injecting Radcliffe with Actovegin.

Is there any evidence that Actovegin is dangerous or unhealthy? If there are legitimate health risks associated with it, then it should be banned. But if there are no harmful side effects, then I don't see a problem with it. How would using a harmless drug/supplement be "against the spirit of the sport"?

actovegin wrote:

Has anyone else seen this?? Apparently Usain Bolt and Paula Radcliffe are both guilty of taking actovegin. I know it's not illegal by WADA's standards but Jesus Christ...

Link below:

https://academicathletics.wordpress.com/2016/07/06/actovegin-the-unfortunately-legal-performance-enhancing-drug/

Discuss.

Bono is guilty of it too apparently! I'm going to have to put an asterisk next to Beautiful Day on my iPhone

As far as I know , WADA has looked at it extensively and concluded that it is not a doping . It was banned for a year or two.

But this fact doe snot necessarily mean that it is'nt doping. Although it has virtually no side effects , there recently been researches which show that are doses of this substance can increase oxygen flow to muscles. And THIS how we all know is definition for doping . EPO as well meldonium enhances oxygen metabolism.

It is interesting how such big organisation as WADA cant give a scientific reasoning for banning Meldonium . They say that athletes take it with wrong intention. Could this same definition could be applied to Caffeine? Which BTW is on 2018 WADA watch list.

I have tried Actovegin and Meldonium. Havent had courage to try EPO, it seems more serious stuff for me , although it is quite natural substance in a way at least. Orderd Actoveginand Meldonium at

www.meldonium-store.com

and I am satisfied with service.

Sorry dont know have to edit post.

Wanted to add that only legitimate argument of WADA would be that , that it is similar to this banned substance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimetazidine

.

So you say you are "satisfied with the service." What does that mean? Satisfied with the service from that seller or satisfied with the results of the Actovegin and Meldonium. What was your experience with Actovegin? Did you feel like it made a difference and did you do it at the same time as the Meldonium or separately to assess the effects of each? Meldonium is obviously banned, but as with Actovegin, it seems opinions on how effective it is at improving performance are mixed.

I always thought the Actovegin was a cover for the cocktail of microdosing peds that were being delivered at the same time. Healing Hans says that all he injects is Acto, but that is probably just a cover for the hgh-epo-igf soup. He can turn over the Acto for testing, nothing-to-see-here, but unless anyone can get their hands on the actual needles Paula and Bolt and Bono (???) used, there is no knowing what was injected.

Merry Xmas, dopers!!! You got away with it for another year!!!

You probably can recover from hard training a lot quicker.

Wikipedia:

``Galea was one of the first sports medicine physicians to use Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy as a way to treat his patients' injuries. PRP therapy is the process of treating an injury with a concentration of the patient's own blood. Initially, the treatment was used for rehabilitation purposes by spinal surgeons and surgeons performing plastic surgery.[3] PRP may be valuable in enhancing soft-tissue repair and in wound healing.[4] Galea's arrest in 2009 for smuggling human growth hormone (HGH) into the United States raised suspicion that he might have combined HGH with his PRP therapy. ``

Brit wrote:

[quote]External Testes wrote:

[quote]Burnsy wrote:

"Muller-Wohlfahrt used his right hand to deliver 14 injections into her lower back. Another two were directed into the front of her right hip, followed by four into the top of her left foot."

WADA violation, no?[/quote

It's called acupuncture, so no. Nowhere in that article does it say he was injecting Radcliffe with Actovegin.

Gary, it says injection, so something must be injected.

I wanted to rehash this and see if any news had come from this? I haven't heard of Actovegin but saw it mentioned in the Rupp thread about him returning to training.

Whhhhaaa?! wrote:

I wanted to rehash this and see if any news had come from this? I haven't heard of Actovegin but saw it mentioned in the Rupp thread about him returning to training.

The only question is what is Jon Orange thoughts on it? If he says it is BS, than it works.

If someone takes actovegin, does that make them a vampire?

Not a taker of the spike, aka not a cheater wrote:

I always thought the Actovegin was a cover for the cocktail of microdosing peds that were being delivered at the same time. Healing Hans says that all he injects is Acto, but that is probably just a cover for the hgh-epo-igf soup. He can turn over the Acto for testing, nothing-to-see-here, but unless anyone can get their hands on the actual needles Paula and Bolt and Bono (???) used, there is no knowing what was injected.

Merry Xmas, dopers!!! You got away with it for another year!!!

Grossly conspiratorial posts based on an obvious poor grasp and/or uneducation on a specific subject makes this forum difficult to take in a serious manner.

Actovegin or Meldonium ?

Which is better and why for distance runners?