Touche' !!
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Considering how many Americans have run 1:42, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Not to mention that one of those 1:42 guys was a member of OTC.
Touche' !!
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Considering how many Americans have run 1:42, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Not to mention that one of those 1:42 guys was a member of OTC.
1.42/43……….. means potential to run 1.42/43. Are you saying he wasn't on track for this? 45 400 speed, aggressive front running tactics. He definitely had the potential to be the next duane solomon equivalent
Brooks Fan #1 wrote:
Symmonds fanboy slobbering drivel
A friends Grandma always said ----never to me of course ;)
"Huckleberry shut your pie hole"
This seems to be on point advice for Brooks Fan #1
jockless wrote:
1.42/43……….. means potential to run 1.42/43. Are you saying he wasn't on track for this? 45 400 speed, aggressive front running tactics. He definitely had the potential to be the next duane solomon equivalent
If you think being on track to do something and having the potential to do something are the same thing, you've got a lot to learn.
Symmonds has, what we call in the industry, an injury.doesn't matter what shoes you're wearing when you have an injury. Hard to qualify easily with lack of fitness or a physical issue.some of the runners from other countries can even get them too. Usually it prevents people from training and racing. it's like a setback.it's best to have injuries, if you end up having them, far away from important competitions so you can recover and get back into competitive form.that's all!
Brooks Fan #1 wrote:
Keychain go jangalang wrote:Somebody else shouldve earned it then....
Symmonds would have qualified easily, but he is not going to bow down to the Nike sleaze bags that run the USATF.
It may seem like we would be sending a better team if Nick was running in Rio, but this is the start of a revolution that will lead to lots of money for runners!
Please consider joining the fight that companies like Brooks have started to take money from the rich fat cats and give it back to the runners who beat their souls on the track.
If you see someone wearing Nike on the street, tell them straight up: "if you support Nike, then you are supporting Charles Jock over Symmonds, and that is not fair and also a really bad idea."
A lot of athletes have a bad race the race after arguably the best race of their lives.
Also, what someone else said.... First race after tons of travel can be ugly for many as well.
Freezing wrote:
A lot of athletes have a bad race the race after arguably the best race of their lives.
Also, what someone else said.... First race after tons of travel can be ugly for many as well.
Hopefully, it's also because he's putting in tough miles/workouts right now, compromising these secondary races. Could say others are doing it too, but who knows?? Maybe not as much.
+1
Jock is being trained like a miler which he clearly isn't. It shows how much talent he has to be trained incorrectly and to still make the Olympic team. 1:44 solo in a conference meet shows 1:42 potential. Unfortunately his college rival Martin has fared much much worse. Row don't know 400- 800 types.
Training isn't his problem....Lifestyle is. Much like Wheating he still acts like a dumb college kid. Goes out too much, can't control himself around booze, etc. Seriously, stop by Taylor's on any night of the week and you'll see those OTC idiots in there acting like fools.
Certainly a special talent (as evidenced by him making the team) but he'll never get to the top. He's a "professional" runner living like a frat boy. Look what happened to big Andy Wheating. #OnceArunner
I don't understand why, with the OG a few weeks out, instead of training and racing a few meets in the USA or Canada, he comes over to Europe, grap a jetlag and and one extra on the way back to the USA or Brazil?
Copacouplealadymen wrote:
50% of athletes run a stinker after the flights to get to Europe from the West Coast...
(No joking) Constipation and dehydration and exhaustion are serious issues, as well as stiff legs. A guy as tall as Jock. Ouch.
How do you know he didn't ride his bicycle to Europe, like he did to the trials?
Sourced wrote:
He will be eliminated in the first round of Rio. Waste of a spot, IMO.
Still butthurt, Sowinski? He absolutely earned his spot on the team. He could go take DFL at the Olympics and it doesn't make it any less earned.
I can understand the bad race after 1) the emotional high of making the team and 2) the physical act of flying across time zones and trying to perform at maximum physical endeavor.
What I don't understand is the point of going to Europe. What is the point of this? So understanding the merits of travel, jetlag etc it will probably be a week before he is in any shape at all and then he will probably have a week's window (1 or 2 races max if there are even any good ones on right now?) before he would need to fly back to the West Coast which then means another week to get fully over that travel and then you are almost literally needing to be in Rio for the meet.
So you go to Europe and spend a bunch of money for maybe one good race if you are lucky - but most probably you don't help yourself physically or mentally by running sh$t races like this which you have simply set yourself up to have.
Meanwhile smart guys like Centro, Murphy etc have shut up shop, are taking a mental break from racing and getting their bodies ready for the hardest athletic competition of their lives in 3 weeks.
Whoever decided this would be a good plan for Charles Jock (I'm assuming it part himself too) are complete boneheads.
ZOT. Haters go away.
Nike didn't injure symmonds wrote:
Symmonds has, what we call in the industry, an injury.
doesn't matter what shoes you're wearing when you have an injury. Hard to qualify easily with lack of fitness or a physical issue.
some of the runners from other countries can even get them too. Usually it prevents people from training and racing. it's like a setback.
it's best to have injuries, if you end up having them, far away from important competitions so you can recover and get back into competitive form.
that's all!
Nike shill detected!
Hope you buy something real nice with that check from Uncle Phil and Uncle Bobby and Uncle David.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Considering how many Americans have run 1:42, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Not to mention that one of those 1:42 guys was a member of OTC.
Yeah, but Symmonds and Jock are completely different runners. That is the point Jockless is making. Training him like Symmonds is a mistake.
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
Meanwhile smart guys like Centro, Murphy etc have shut up shop, are taking a mental break from racing and getting their bodies ready for the hardest athletic competition of their lives in 3 weeks.
Whoever decided this would be a good plan for Charles Jock (I'm assuming it part himself too) are complete boneheads.
You are right that going to Europe at this point seems foolish for anyone on the team. Seems like certain agents want to squeeze out a few bucks.
However, never, ever, ever refer to Centrowitz and Murphy as "smart guys." OK?
compared to old turnip brain? wrote:
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:Meanwhile smart guys like Centro, Murphy etc have shut up shop, are taking a mental break from racing and getting their bodies ready for the hardest athletic competition of their lives in 3 weeks.
Whoever decided this would be a good plan for Charles Jock (I'm assuming it part himself too) are complete boneheads.
You are right that going to Europe at this point seems foolish for anyone on the team. Seems like certain agents want to squeeze out a few bucks.
However, never, ever, ever refer to Centrowitz and Murphy as "smart guys." OK?
Haha why aren't they smart. They seem smart enough to win national titles.
stanhope wrote:
I don't understand why, with the OG a few weeks out, instead of training and racing a few meets in the USA or Canada, he comes over to Europe, grap a jetlag and and one extra on the way back to the USA or Brazil?
Probably because he needs to make money to put food on his table.
whattheheck wrote:
stanhope wrote:I don't understand why, with the OG a few weeks out, instead of training and racing a few meets in the USA or Canada, he comes over to Europe, grap a jetlag and and one extra on the way back to the USA or Brazil?
Probably because he needs to make money to put food on his table.
I can guarantee you that 1.48 for 10th place in Heusden is not putting food on any table - in fact he's paying just to sit AT the table.