No surprise here. Education, not Legislation!!! Vote Thejeff 2020!
No surprise here. Education, not Legislation!!! Vote Thejeff 2020!
Also here, if you think conservative news outlets cannot be trusted :-)
Thejeff wrote:
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/starbucks-employees-minimum-wage-increase-causing-extreme-labor-cutsNo surprise here. Education, not Legislation!!! Vote Thejeff 2020!
Please do not bore us with facts. Go Bernie!!!
Guess who is getting fired this week (From the second article):
Aaron I. said:
"No matter what we do to save on labor at my store, the system tells us EVERY SINGLE DAY that we are at least 8 hours over in labor for the day and have to cut even more,"
Shift Manager Leslie S. said:
"We're suffering, & so are our customers. It's not working,"
This thinning of the herd will be good in the long run.
Thejeff wrote:
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/starbucks-employees-minimum-wage-increase-causing-extreme-labor-cutsNo surprise here. Education, not Legislation!!! Vote Thejeff 2020!
Umm...the COMPANY Starbucks decided to raise the pay for its workers. It can then structure its workforce any way they want to. That's actually a very REPUBLICAN view.
Flagpole wrote:
Thejeff wrote:http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/starbucks-employees-minimum-wage-increase-causing-extreme-labor-cutsNo surprise here. Education, not Legislation!!! Vote Thejeff 2020!
Umm...the COMPANY Starbucks decided to raise the pay for its workers. It can then structure its workforce any way they want to. That's actually a very REPUBLICAN view.
Of course you are right, but you miss my point.
Hopefully, our legislators can learn from the CHOICES of Starbucks before they FORCE the higher MW on society.
I don't see why fast food workers should be getting 15 per hour while i get 11 per hour to do what most of them could never do
Thejeff wrote:
Flagpole wrote:Umm...the COMPANY Starbucks decided to raise the pay for its workers. It can then structure its workforce any way they want to. That's actually a very REPUBLICAN view.
Of course you are right, but you miss my point.
Hopefully, our legislators can learn from the CHOICES of Starbucks before they FORCE the higher MW on society.
Higher costs lead to lower demand? Now there's a surprise!
Flagpole missing the point? Now there's a surprise!
Let the government do their thing, and the companies do theirs.
If the legislature says the minimum wage needs to be $50/hr, then adjust your business accordingly. Money is all just made up tokens anyway.
You sound like my toddler who complains when I tell him he can't have funnel cake for dinner.
Bad Argument wrote:
Let the government do their thing, and the companies do theirs.
If the legislature says the minimum wage needs to be $50/hr, then adjust your business accordingly. Money is all just made up tokens anyway.
You sound like my toddler who complains when I tell him he can't have funnel cake for dinner.
And you sound like someone who cannot argue rationally but is really proud of posting irrational comparisons to toddlers.
People need to be willing to take on debt by going to college so they can earn a living wage.
You obviously have never heard of inflation.
If the minimum wage gets raised, businesses will need to raise the costs of goods, manufacturing, and services because:
1. Extra money spent on labor will offset profits
2. The workforce will have greater more personal worth to spend
Over time, balance will be restored. Things will cost more, but people will make more money. Businesses will be able to hire more workers and spend a little more on labor.
There is nothing magical about a green piece of paper with a 1 or 100 on it that gives it specific worth. It is all play money and it is a waste of time to worry about whether that effects you in any real way.
Leopardly wrote:
I don't see why fast food workers should be getting 15 per hour while i get 11 per hour to do what most of them could never do
So you'd prefer making $11 an hour to making $15 or more just so you can make more than fast food workers?
The part of the equation that I do not see mentioned are company profits. Maybe the cost associated with bring workers up to a workable wage should come from profits or bloated upper management salaries. Instead, companies cut labor, increase prices, and find 1000 other ways to make up the $ except affecting their take. How many millions are needed before thinking of others situations comes into play?
Bad Argument wrote:
You obviously have never heard of inflation.
If the minimum wage gets raised, businesses will need to raise the costs of goods, manufacturing, and services because:
1. Extra money spent on labor will offset profits
2. The workforce will have greater more personal worth to spend
Over time, balance will be restored. Things will cost more, but people will make more money. Businesses will be able to hire more workers and spend a little more on labor.
There is nothing magical about a green piece of paper with a 1 or 100 on it that gives it specific worth. It is all play money and it is a waste of time to worry about whether that effects you in any real way.
Wow, you are so out to left field that it is hard to know where to start. You are actually making the OP's argument for them without even knowing it.
I absolutely LOVE your opening line:
"You obviously have never heard of inflation."
Ummm....that's kind of the point. Perhaps YOU have never heard of inflation - generally not a desirable goal.
Thejeff wrote:
Flagpole wrote:Umm...the COMPANY Starbucks decided to raise the pay for its workers. It can then structure its workforce any way they want to. That's actually a very REPUBLICAN view.
Of course you are right, but you miss my point.
Hopefully, our legislators can learn from the CHOICES of Starbucks before they FORCE the higher MW on society.
I knew what your point was. Just pointing out a flaw in the way you presented it. Also, raising the minimum wage isn't anything new. It gets raised every so often. I worked for $3.35 an hour when I was in high school.
racer II wrote:
The part of the equation that I do not see mentioned are company profits. Maybe the cost associated with bring workers up to a workable wage should come from profits or bloated upper management salaries. Instead, companies cut labor, increase prices, and find 1000 other ways to make up the $ except affecting their take. How many millions are needed before thinking of others situations comes into play?
How many times does this need to be debunked? If Walmart's CEO divided his pay among all Walmart employees, they'd get less than a $10 bonus.
Woohoo.
Same goes for every large corporation with "bloated" executive pay.
Starbucks real problem is the reduction in the amount of coffee used to make a drink. Lattes taste like milk with something added in with minimal caffeine power. A waste of money these days to go there.
How are those surgery pain meds treating ya, Jeff?
Glad you linked articles from two different sources.
The first one was all about higher wages causing a need for labor cutbacks.
The second one was about a new software program Starbucks was using that was telling store managers to reduce hours based on sales.
A lot of faith is being placed in the software that doesn't base any "decisions" on quality of service. I am sure other factors are missing as well.
And it doesn't tell us the profit margins.
The assumption is that they are losing money at these wages.
Maybe they are making a 10% profit and the software is mandating a 20% profit.
Paint the story the way you want. There isn't enough information there for any solid conclusions.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon