Jama Aden Interview after arrest

trash fish translation wrote:

trash fish wrote:

please consult hamza driouch for further information.

i'll just toss a random name out here to further prove that i'm completely insane.

look, if you are claiming ignorance regarding Driouch, then you are either A)defending a person/situation that you clearly don't have enough information on and are inadequately educated on the matter or B)you are purposefully being deceptive. I'm not sure which is more disgraceful. here are facts that we know unequivocally 100%:

1) 62 used syringes, pre-loaded epo syringes, and 4 different types of epo were found in a hotel that aden and his team were staying at in Sabadell, spain

2) aden had been under surveillance for 4 weeks by Spanish authorities after a tip

3) aden was seen multiple times on differing routes disposing of doping type material over those 4 weeks

4) aden was arrested, and his passport confiscated

5) hamza driouch has explicitly blamed his ban secondary to a positive test on aden, and trust that he put into his coach

6) laila traby, an aden athlete (as verified by aden on social media) had epo/banned drugs found in her apartment, and later had a blood sample positive for epo

7) nike has cut ties with aden's group

8) aden's athletes have not competed in any diamond league races (nor are they scheduled to) since the bust

9) aden's younger brother, Ibrahim, had a positive test for ephedrine in 1999 for which he was given a 2 year reprimand post appeal

10) though heresay at best, the American david torrence was approached twice by aden to take "vitamins" by injection- the same language used by driouch

I refuse to let someone spin this any other way. a yarn being spun that aden is some type of victim to "jealous" people or "terrorists" is comedic at best. the above are FACTS.

Phantasy Star wrote:

What a bunch of losers.

If Dibaba has the balls to show up in Rio I hope she's shunned by all her competitors in the same way Semenya is.

Why should Semenya be shunned?

She is just a person running.

Several of your "thruths" aren't true 🙄🙄🙄🙄Could it be you're desperate for someone better than your own nation to go down? 🤔3, 7 and 9 are wrong, no 10 is as you say yourself at best the weakest piece of evidence ever

you are the one mistaken, fact checker. nike has suspended their association with aden. aden was observed multiple times disposing of doping type of paraphanelia. as for 9, you're more than welcome to look up athletes busted/reprimanded for drugs (Ibrahim aden of Somalia ia 100% on the list), but an article from the New York Times on a quick internet search reveals:

"Ezinwa, who reached the 100-meter final at the 1992 and 1996 Olympics, tested positive for Hcg, a substance that can help produce testosterone in men, and has been suspended and could face a two-year ban. He failed to reach the 100 final. Aden's urine sample showed traces of ephedrine. He finished sixth in the first semifinal of the 1,500 and has been disqualified and was issued a public warning." (

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I don't know if you are being paid to defend aden here, if you're possibly related to aden (surely a family member would know of the driouch troubles though), or just blind adulation drives you; but any and all of that is problematic for the validity and health of athletics. lastly, on a personal note, the last thing I'd be jealous of is a cheat- what I'm desparate for is justice and the drugging to stop.

Lets talk about Torrance for a moment why don't we.

Frustrated that he's not good enough ,defects to run for another country.No balls or guts, takes the easy way to Rio.

He then decides he's an expert on doping and why he may or may have been offered? If he had brain he would taken a vial of what ever he was offered for evidence and turned it factual vs assumptive.

He then calls out Lagat after he won trials 5k for past doping charges in which Lagat was cleared and now over tested in past years.

Why should Torrance have a opinion on anything at the US trials related when he chose to bail, leave , jump ship ,cast his US citizenship aside to compete for another country.

As for Aden, lets wait for all the evidence to play out before we all become experts on what really happened and reporters give there side of what they hope happens vs what really happened.

I'll just keep bombarding you with endless streams of disconnected facts that don't have any relation to the issue, plus a bunch of other stuff that I'm just making up and tossing in there to create more confusing, because honestly you have me at my wits end with all the good points you're making, and that I can hardly comprehend with my limited intellect, but that doesn't stop me because I'm determined to beat you into submission with my endless stream of drivel and intense hatred for anyone who is faster than me, especially people who aren't the same color that I am and who live on the other side of the world, and THIS is the reason that they have to be guilty, plus i'm just po'd in general.

trash fish translation wrote:

I'll just keep bombarding you with endless streams of disconnected facts that don't have any relation to the issue, plus a bunch of other stuff that I'm just making up and tossing in there to create more confusing, because honestly you have me at my wits end with all the good points you're making, and that I can hardly comprehend with my limited intellect, but that doesn't stop me because I'm determined to beat you into submission with my endless stream of drivel and intense hatred for anyone who is faster than me, especially people who aren't the same color that I am and who live on the other side of the world, and THIS is the reason that they have to be guilty, plus i'm just po'd in general.

1) please show me your "good points" in defense of the proven cheat, aden. there are none there- only childish responses.

2) facts outlined are not "drivel"

3) the last thing I would do would be to hate someone faster or a different color than me. I had my time long before. I am a swede and married to a Sudanese woman that is a nationalized swede. I live 10 months in Sweden, and up to 2 months in sudan on average each year. so, I am only on the "other side of the world" for part of the year.

4) I speak 5 languages, and English is far down the list for me. limited intellect is certainly not an issue. however, your non-use of periods and punctuation certainly is.

I don't know what else to say to you, other than it is of little use to argue with someone that is blinded and refuses to acknowledge fact or common sense. I wish you the best, but will no longer waste my time responding to/answering your posts. best to you.

What planet are you on wrote:

1500m god wrote:

In the US, cops won't arrest you without probable cause. Shooting you is a whole different story.

Cops arrest, taze, shoot, beat, and kill people all over the US daily with absolutely no probable cause, just because of how stupid they are.

Yeah, sure. Another brainwashed cuck. How many black poles do you gobble to atone for your imagined sins? lol Or are you another hasbarat who revels in trying to wreck the West, while thinking back to mom getting plowed by the A American starting five on the BB team during her college days?

Some more facts:1) The 4 kinds of EPO was reportedly found in other rooms, not Aden's.2) One of the Spanish newspaper reports said that the disposed syringes did not contain EPO, or other doping substances. This would support claims of vitamin injections (something Torrence -- and Driouch? -- also told us) and does not support claims of EPO.3) There are two separate areas of concern, Spanish Law, and WADA's rules. Spain can investigate him, arrest him and find him guilty of harming athletes, with substances and methods which are NOT banned by the IAAF or WADA. WADA can find athletes guilty of doping, and Spain will not prosecute the athletes.4) Tips, surveillance, arrests, trials, can end up one of two ways: guilty or innocent, depending on the strength of the evidence. At this point, the evidence linking Aden to the EPO doesn't look strong.Looks like we still need more FACTS to stop the spin.

trash fish wrote:

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I refuse to let someone spin this any other way. a yarn being spun that aden is some type of victim to "jealous" people or "terrorists" is comedic at best. the above are FACTS.

rekrunner wrote:

Some more facts:

1) The 4 kinds of EPO was reportedly found in other rooms, not Aden's.

2) One of the Spanish newspaper reports said that the disposed syringes did not contain EPO, or other doping substances. This would support claims of vitamin injections (something Torrence -- and Driouch? -- also told us) and does not support claims of EPO.

3) There are two separate areas of concern, Spanish Law, and WADA's rules. Spain can investigate him, arrest him and find him guilty of harming athletes, with substances and methods which are NOT banned by the IAAF or WADA. WADA can find athletes guilty of doping, and Spain will not prosecute the athletes.

4) Tips, surveillance, arrests, trials, can end up one of two ways: guilty or innocent, depending on the strength of the evidence. At this point, the evidence linking Aden to the EPO doesn't look strong.

#2 is looking critical. If they test the syringes and find no evidence of EPO then I think Aden is in the clear.

Ref. #1, this discovery, of course, strongly suggests that someone in the camp is taking EPO. I hope that the authorities can at least establish who that was and sanction/punish accordingly.

I'll correct you on #4: "the evidence *in the public domain* linking Aden to the EPO doesn't look strong". We don't know what other evidence the authorities have. Clearly, they had some evidence before the bust to raid the hotel and find EPO. I doubt they would have carried out a raid in the fashion they did without a high level of certainty that they would find what they did.

To put it another way: if they HADN'T found EPO, they would have suffered very strong criticism, and it would be virtually impossible to raid an Aden camp again in a similar way. So high stakes.

The crux of this matter from a legal perspective, as alluded to earlier, will be Aden's assertion that the syringes he was disposing of contained vitamins, calcium, etc. and not EPO. If this assertion is found to be untrue, then Aden is on a sticky wicket.

rekrunner is always in need of more facts

can we have some more facts for rekrunner please

Why do you cherry pick "facts" to make Aden appear in the best possible light?

What I do is provide balance by providing facts that others seem to neglect, despite being public. I do this to highlight the one-sidedness of other posts.If it looks cherry picked, biased, or one-sided, it's because it is a complement of the FACTS that were presented before.Unbiased conclusions necessarily cover all the facts, or posters should be honest enough to admit there are unproven assumptions and faith, filling in the gaps from the lack of facts.It is a fact is that Aden is under investigation, that evidence is being collected. Maybe he broke a Spanish law. Maybe he broke a WADA rule. Maybe both. But the link between Aden and EPO (from the evidence that has been made public) are indirect links at best.I shine the "good" light, because I think it is premature to make Aden appear in the worst possible light. This collective fan-based negativity, fuelled by sensational journalism, is also killing the sport, and it seems all the more tragic when it is not completely justified by the facts.So far, everyone providing information only talks about Aden and vitamins. What if everyone with suspicions is making the same mistake?When stronger evidence comes out, this is the right time for me to adapt my opinions to the new evidence.

Dragon Runner wrote:

Why do you cherry pick "facts" to make Aden appear in the best possible light?

Yet rekrunner the self-proclaimed guardian of fact based discussion can determine that Cathal Lombard is 'unique' and a 'massive outlier'

among EPO users based on very little available evidence.

There is no data available to determine improvements among the vast majority of EPO users who go undetected

cleans wrote:

The crux of this matter from a legal perspective, as alluded to earlier, will be Aden's assertion that the syringes he was disposing of contained vitamins, calcium, etc. and not EPO. If this assertion is found to be untrue, then Aden is on a sticky wicket.

If it is found to be untrue, it will be a rare case of IAAF failing to conceal evidence in an investigation that they have a part in.

I don't claim I have the facts, but I claim YOU don't have them. I'm not making any unsupported conclusions.

We have data on the effects of EPO in athletes. Nothing suggests a Lombard-esque magnitude of improvement.

The existence of a vast majority of undetected EPO users is another unproven hypothesis.

The fact is that EPO believers themselves estimate about 45 seconds improvement for the 10K, based on science, anecdotes, or simply brown-tinged estimates.

If Cathal Lombard improved by more than 2 minutes, and there are no other examples, that makes him UNIQUE, and 2+ minutes is a MASSIVE amount beyond any estimate I've ever seen.

And the fact is that Cathal Lombard made significant non-EPO changes in his training, so EPO is not the only source of his improvement.

I'm prepared to retract my characterization if you are able to find another example (negating uniqueness), or some credible estimate above 2 minutes (negating massiveness). It should be possible, based on times, to come up with suitable candidates.

the mask slips ..

Mask?I think I've consistently tried to highlight the limits of what we know, and what we assume or take on faith. I don't pretend to have more knowledge than what has been made public.In the case of Aden, based on the reports so far, no EPO was found in his hotel or in the disposed syringes. The EPO case against would be stronger if the reports said they found EPO in the room, or in the disposed syringes.In the case of Lombard, based on what we know about EPO and performance improvements in athletes, "unique" and "massive outlier" are correct descriptions. If I say he's an exception, the evidence supports that. If you say he's the general case that also describes many others we haven't yet found, the evidence does not support that.These positions can change once more information becomes public, when we gain more knowledge, but not based on some imagined idea of what reality must be.

trackfan. wrote:

the mask slips ..

balance is stating all the facts. Balance is not achieved by being argumentative and giving the most favorable argument to one side that you pick.One example, in your first point, you state that the EPO was not in Aden's room but you leave out that it was in the room of one of his athletes.I think this is your form of trolling. Don't give yourself too much credit.