Damning Evidence that Montano did not cause Martinez' trip

Quite clear it was Martinez and Rogers, not Montano. Sorry that doesn't fit with the black-hating narrative of the Letsrun racists.

You can see Rogers' right leg was in the path of Martinez' left leg coming forward. Rogers and Martinez are extremely close. Montano is to the right and behind nowhere near Martinez' left leg. Rogers would not have a spike mark because the top of Martinez' left shoe hits the back or Rogers' right calf

I didn't even know this was still being debated. We talked to Hawi Keflezighi (Martinez's agent) as well as Josh Cox (Grace's agent). They both said the same thing.

Rogers moved out and nicked Martinez leg at the top of it's backswing which caused Martinez to lose her balance and do a cartwheel and slow down which resulted in Montano (whow said she had purposedly slowed down from 200 to 150 but was planning on going hard the last 150) plowing into her behind.

Cox told me they had like 6 different camera angles on it in the camera tent and that's what happened.

Martinez did not do a cartwheel--end over end--Montano did a semi-cartwheel, didn't use her arms to hold herself up during the wheel.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I didn't even know this was still being debated. We talked to Hawi Keflezighi (Martinez's agent) as well as Josh Cox (Grace's agent). They both said the same thing.

Rogers moved out and nicked Martinez leg at the top of it's backswing which caused Martinez to lose her balance and do a cartwheel and slow down which resulted in Montano (whow said she had purposedly slowed down from 200 to 150 but was planning on going hard the last 150) plowing into her behind.

Cox told me they had like 6 different camera angles on it in the camera tent and that's what happened.

So they are of the opinion that BMart pulled an Uceny and was riding too close to Rogers?

LetsRun.com wrote:

Rogers moved out and nicked Martinez leg at the top of it's backswing which caused Martinez to lose her balance and do a cartwheel and slow down which resulted in Montano (whow said she had purposedly slowed down from 200 to 150 but was planning on going hard the last 150) plowing into her behind.

That Montano clipped Martinez' leg over and over, and then pushed her is quite clear from the photos and videos.

It doesn't make sense that Rogers would have moved out into Martinez and caused all that happened, especially as Montano clearly clipped Martinez several times and then pushed her down. Plus the photos show Rogers still on the rail, and unaffected, by the initial contact that was caused by Montano.

Regardless what any agents said, who have the same evidence that we do, Martinez said in her interview that she was clipped from behind, not from the side.

The photo below shows the stride after contact, and can help us to determine the cause.

As shown in the photo, the right feet of Martinez and Montano are only inches apart in respect to the line.

When Montano stepped on Martinez` left foot, this caused Martinez' next step and momentum to come inward for balance, which made up for the few inches difference.

This verifies, along with other photos and the videos, that Montano caused the initial contact and the chain reaction, plus Montano is clearly seen to be clipping and pushing Martinez in the videos.

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

Even if Martinez were at fault for jostling or obstructing and were DQed, Montano did not "complete the event with bona fide effort" as required by the rule. If Montano had made a bona fide effort to complete the race, it would not have taken her an additional minute to reach the finish line.

You can't re-run a race for the benefit of a DQed runner or for someone who did not complete the even with bona fide effort.

No, that wasn't the cause wrote:

It doesn't make sense that Rogers would have moved out into Martinez and caused all that happened, especially as Montano clearly clipped Martinez several times and then pushed her down. Plus the photos show Rogers still on the rail, and unaffected, by the initial contact that was caused by Montano.

Regardless what any agents said, who have the same evidence that we do, Martinez said in her interview that she was clipped from behind, not from the side.

I'm gonna side with the guys who watched it from multiple angles AND are connected to the athletes affected. No offense 'No, that wasn't the cause', but you're clearly too stubborn to change your opinion.

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Dat niqqa wrote:

I'm gonna side with the guys who watched it from multiple angles AND are connected to the athletes affected. No offense 'No, that wasn't the cause', but you're clearly too stubborn to change your opinion.

Ah you agree with me then. Wonderful.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I didn't even know this was still being debated. We talked to Hawi Keflezighi (Martinez's agent) as well as Josh Cox (Grace's agent). They both said the same thing.

Rogers moved out and nicked Martinez leg at the top of it's backswing which caused Martinez to lose her balance and do a cartwheel and slow down which resulted in Montano (whow said she had purposedly slowed down from 200 to 150 but was planning on going hard the last 150) plowing into her behind.

Cox told me they had like 6 different camera angles on it in the camera tent and that's what happened.

This is the first time I have heard this statement made in whole.

Why has LR been holding out on us?

Martinez threw her foot backward under Montano's shoe, and at the same time clipped both Wilson and Rogers.

Neither Wilson nor Rogers were affected, but Martinez flew up in the air.

The most egregious act was throwing her foot backward and aggressively slamming it under Montano's shoe, thus Martinez causing herself to stumble.

But even so she kept doing it, and threw her foot back again and again right under Montano's shoe, in fact Martinez kept repeating this several times, in fact she did it again, several times. Then she did it again.

Then Martinez threw her body in front of Montano's hands, tried to grab Montano's delicate arms with her back, and with impeccable timing, intentionally stumbled out of the way, which caused Montano to flip right over on the track and land on her face.

Therefore this was all the fault of Martinez.

Makes total sense that Rogers might worry about being boxed and try to edge out. Any way you slice it, BMart, as an experienced 800 runner, should have left more room to the right unless she was intentionally boxing (happens all the time). Pretty much no-one was really at fault - it's called racing.

Lets play what-if and assume they are all in it with 100 to go, which looked likely. I dont follow these women, so who's the kickers? Who gets top 3?

Montano 3:06.77 wrote:

Weight coach wrote:

Montano could not have clipped Martinez' left foot by being to her right in lane 2. Montano would have to be directly behind Martinez. The calm in Montano's face also doesn't show being kicked by a spike.

It doesn't help to keep posting the same thing when you're already been proven wrong many times. It just makes you keep looking more stupid.

He's too stupid to understand that too. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Kojak wrote:

Makes total sense that Rogers might worry about being boxed and try to edge out. Any way you slice it, BMart, as an experienced 800 runner, should have left more room to the right

This is exactly what happened.

Martinez only left 6 and a half lanes to her right.

If she had left at least 8 or 10 lanes to her right then this wouldn't have happened.

IAAF thugs wrote:

Quite clear it was Martinez and Rogers, not Montano. Sorry that doesn't fit with the black-hating narrative of the Letsrun racists.

Rogers is black.

I'll admit, I'm not 100% sure its Montano, but looking at the replay in slow motion, it appears Montano did clip Martinez around 1:34. Also I'd like to mention that the account that posted the photo basically seems to be a Montano fan account so its not a very reliable source.