Bad Wigins wrote:
The 10,000 was slow because of heat. You yourself mention Keino who is proof enough that altitude is no hindrance.
For the most part, athletes from altitude tend to run faster at sea level but there are a few exceptions and I think Keino is in this category of exceptions. For him, he could run a similar type of time whether at altitude or sea level. Some even curiously run faster at altitude than at sea level, for instance Jeremiah Mutai(800m runner)
Bad Wigins wrote:The 10,000 was slow because of heat. You yourself mention Keino who is proof enough that altitude is no hindrance.
is that a joke ?
it was also hot in eldoret
Keino smashed the 3k WR by ~6s at sea-level & also broke the 5k WR at sea-level
Asbel at only 7,000' coud only record 3'36.0 on the new track & soon after ran 3'26.6 at sea-level
Keino at 7,300' ran 3'34.9 !!!
you think Keino was in only 3'34.9 shape at sea-level when Asbel ran 1.1s slower at lower altitiude then nearly 10s faster at sea-level ??!!
American Star wrote:For the most part, athletes from altitude tend to run faster at sea level but there are a few exceptions and I think Keino is in this category of exceptions. For him, he could run a similar type of time whether at altitude or sea level. Some even curiously run faster at altitude than at sea level, for instance Jeremiah Mutai(800m runner)
Keino broke WRs at sea-level including smashing the 3k WR
in '72 in munich when well past his peak ran the 3kSC as novice with barely any races at it & won gold with one of the fastest time ever & probably wouda won gold again at 1500 if not for that finnw ho came out of nowhere that year
how does this show only fast ability at altitude ?
as for mutai, he started off as a 400h & i don't think he has ever developed into a "proper" 800 runner & not great at rounds but somehow has made kenyan teams at indoors twice & outdoors once so he obviously has talent but not improved 800pb in 3y
Big Red wrote:
Bad Wiggins, remember that it's winterish in Brazil for August. Don't know what to expect,
Yes, it's not even the summer olympics. It was bad enough doing this in Australia.
But the real uncertainty here is they will be running clockwise, as viewed from the northern hemisphere.
One thing that is certain is it's not Historic Hayward Field so Rupp has no chance.
Eliud Kipchoge was at Kam's side supporting him when he DNFed.
weak Olympics wrote:
So here's what going on heading into the Olympics:
~ Viola Kibiwott barely cracks 17 in a 5k at the Kenyan Trials
~ Kamworor DNF's the Trials
~ Karoki DNF's the Trials
~ Birech is MIA
~ Rudisha gets 3rd in the Trials after struggling this year, all while leaving his former coach who questions his mental fitness publicly
~ Kenenisa is left off the marathon team, then DNF's a 10k in The Netherlands
~ Jeilan DNF's the same 10k in The Netherlands
~ Tirunesh loses a 10k for the first time ever
~ Meseret Defar is nowhere to be found
~ Genzebe is taken off the track in a wheelchair, all while likely either doped out of her mind, or suffering from withdrawal from no longer being doped out of her f*cking mind
~ Galen gets out-kicked by a nobody
~ Shannon Rowbury struggles and barely races
~ Jenny Simpson barely races
~ Jama Aden is doping athletes so blatantly that he gets arrested...and he coaches or has coached: (1.) Taofik Makhloufi, the reigning Olympic champ.; (2.) Ayanleh Souleiman, the Indoor WR holder for 1000m; (3.) Genzebe Dibaba, holder of numerous world records, indoors & outdoors
~ women's pole vault WR holder Yelena Isinbayeva is barred from competing in the Olympics because the Russians can't, as a whole, stop doping out of their f*cking minds
~ Zersenay Tadese looks to be done as a medal-contender
~ Torkildsen retires from javelin
~ Ryan Hall retires from top-level professional running
~ Dathan Ritzenhein DNF's the U.S. Marathon Trials, and is out of a chance at a spot on the 10k team
~ Duane Solomon struggles
~ Nick Symmonds is out with injury
This is seriously going to be the weakest Olympics in a long time.
Hahahahahaha how does Symmonds even make that list?
According to this Kenya is only sending 2 men in the 5K to Rio (Ndiku and Isaiah Koech) ... why would they not send a 3rd?
I know the 3rd placer at the trials was not a big-name guy, but Longowsia in 4th and Soi in 5th have both ran decent times this year ... 13:01 and 13:03, respectively.
Koech hasn't been so good the last few years, and either of the above might well do better than he can manage in Rio, so why not give one a wildcard? My understanding is with the Kenyan selection it's top 2, then they can pick whoever they like as a 3rd representative.
What happened to last year's breakthrough, Emmanuel Kipsang? He had a decent 10K debut earlier this year (27:22) but looks like he wasn't in the 5K or 10K at the Kenyan Trials ... or to Birgen for that matter; moved up to 5K this year and has run 13:04, but also not at the trials, as far as I can tell.
Lately it seems Kenya can't find much consistency in the 5K ... Ndiku coming off injury and nothing impressive this year is still able to best everyone else at the trials.
This is all off topic, but I figured this thread might be a good place to see if anyone knows what is going on with sending only 2 guys for the 5K.
Besides only sending 'Diku and Koech can a Kenyan please splain
1) what happened to the girl who whooped Hyvin Kiyeng for the sub 9 before? Trials there's like Kiyeng and nobody in a slowass time.
2) why do you have 0 female sprinters? 23.70 and 53.37, come on. Your 800 runners could beat that 400 time.
And for general fans, this sez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Athletics_Kenya_Olympic_Trials#Women.27s_results
Kenyans such as the 2nd place jav thrower get to chase standards until July 11, how come US athletes like Will Claye can't do that?
Ok done with the questions.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Besides only sending 'Diku and Koech can a Kenyan please splain
1) what happened to the girl who whooped Hyvin Kiyeng for the sub 9 before? Trials there's like Kiyeng and nobody in a slowass time.
2) why do you have 0 female sprinters? 23.70 and 53.37, come on. Your 800 runners could beat that 400 time.
And for general fans, this sez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Athletics_Kenya_Olympic_Trials#Women.27s_resultsdi
Kenyans such as the 2nd place jav thrower get to chase standards until July 11, how come US athletes like Will Claye can't do that?
Ok done with the questions.
The 5k situation could be due to a couple of things. One is Kam initially wanted to double and another is that the coach is adamant about having Karoki on the team despite him DNFing like Kam. Since AK only gets one wildcard, I wonder if they're trying to persuade the guy who was second in the 10k to run the 5k instead?
Ruth Jebet, the girl who beat Hyvin Kiyeng with that sub 9 represents everything that is wrong with the sport. She was recruited (poached) by Baharain as junior and has been running for them ever since even though she still lives in Kenya and doesn't speak a word of Arabic. And looking at it from the perspective of other countries means they get to compete against 4 Kenyans instead of 3.
The cut-off dates of standards is up to USATF. AK wants to diversify away from distance as much as possible and so they pull all stops to develop anyone with a glimmer of potential. Hopefully he'll become like Julius Yego one day.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Besides only sending 'Diku and Koech can a Kenyan please splain
1) what happened to the girl who whooped Hyvin Kiyeng for the sub 9 before? Trials there's like Kiyeng and nobody in a slowass time.
Ruth Jebet runs for Bahrain, has since 2013 ... ex-Kenyan. I'm not sure about how the Kenyan Trials race played out, but Kiyeng has a SB of 9:00, then the 2nd-placer Chepkoech has a SB of 9:17, and 3rd Lydia Rotich is the 6th fastest Kenyan by time this year (9:23)
Kenyan women by SB goes 9:00, 9:17, 9:21, 9:22, 9:22, 9:23, 9:24, 9:25, 9:26, 9:27 ... so it's expected for Kiyeng to win that race by a lot. Just being at 7000ft goes a long way to explaining the slow times, but of course often a trials race will be tactical.
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why do you have 0 female sprinters? 23.70 and 53.37, come on. Your 800 runners could beat that 400 time.
Wambui, the 800m runner, has actually also been selected for the 400m and has a PR of 51.39 ... also that wikipedia link somehow has the men's 800 all off; wrong places and wrong times as well. The men's 400 hurdles is wrong as well.
http://www.watchathletics.com/page/1465/results-2016-kenyan-olympic-trials-eldoretWell that explains where Jebet went if not the rest of the Kenyan steeplers. Is that Lydia Jepkurui Rotich or is she a new steeple Lydia?
That is Lydiah Jepkemoi Rotich. Lydiah Chepkirui, silver medalist at World championships 2013 and with PB of 9:12 has struggled with form this season and I think she missed the whole of last year. She probably had a maternity leave and is trying to get back.
MakwalaFan wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Besides only sending 'Diku and Koech can a Kenyan please splain
1) what happened to the girl who whooped Hyvin Kiyeng for the sub 9 before? Trials there's like Kiyeng and nobody in a slowass time.
Ruth Jebet runs for Bahrain, has since 2013 ... ex-Kenyan. I'm not sure about how the Kenyan Trials race played out, but Kiyeng has a SB of 9:00, then the 2nd-placer Chepkoech has a SB of 9:17, and 3rd Lydia Rotich is the 6th fastest Kenyan by time this year (9:23)
Kenyan women by SB goes 9:00, 9:17, 9:21, 9:22, 9:22, 9:23, 9:24, 9:25, 9:26, 9:27 ... so it's expected for Kiyeng to win that race by a lot. Just being at 7000ft goes a long way to explaining the slow times, but of course often a trials race will be tactical.
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why do you have 0 female sprinters? 23.70 and 53.37, come on. Your 800 runners could beat that 400 time.
Wambui, the 800m runner, has actually also been selected for the 400m and has a PR of 51.39 ... also that wikipedia link somehow has the men's 800 all off; wrong places and wrong times as well. The men's 400 hurdles is wrong as well.
http://www.watchathletics.com/page/1465/results-2016-kenyan-olympic-trials-eldoret
The wikipidia results shown for men 800m and 400m hurdles are last years while the rest for this year.
