Geoffrey Kamworor a DNF?

Reality Bath wrote:

weak Olympics wrote:

This is seriously going to be the cleanest Olympics in a long time.

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just got off the phone with Andy Arnold - our man our man on the ground in Kenya - who has been attending the Kenyan Trials the last two days.

Here are 5 takeaways I got from talking to him. He's likely to send me a more formal recap (that we may put in an article or maybe we'll have him just post on the forum as we are so busy with the US Trials)

1) Hand the gold medal to Ezekiel Kemboi. He said that Kemboi looked amazing, was mocking the other runners, waving to the crowd and will win gold. Kemboi was actually third in the race behind the two Kipruto's but that was just a technicality he said. It's worth noting that Jairus Birech was top three.

2) The men's 10k was wild and crazy as Karoki and Kamworor both dropped out. He said Karoki was leading at 3200 and just stepped off. Then Kamworor was at the front and stepped off at 8k. He said it was very hot as the sun was shining (he estimated around 75 degrees with full sun). He said Kamworor went to the hospital and was given an IV. He said that Canova told him Kamworor was 100% getting a wildcard to Rio. Arnold spoke with Karoki who also thought he'd get a wild card. Karoki said he'd been dealing with some injury issues. Canova told Arnold that a 2nd wildcard would be unprecedented.

3) He said the men's 800 was stunning as David Rudisha barely got third and the winner was unreal. Rudisha won the semis in 143 but the final was tactical. He said Rudisha was in the front for 300 and then he went into the pack. He claimed the first 400 was 52 and then Alfred Kipketer just took off and ran a 50 on the 2nd lap for a 143 win. He told me it was 52-50 which I've never heard of for an 800.The official winning time was 1:43.73. Maybe Arnold's splits are off a little (or it could have been like 52.8, 50.9) but it was impressive nonetheless. Ferguson Rotich ran 1:44.05 with Rudisha rallying from 5th in the final 100 to 3rd in 1:44.23 (although he would have gotten a wildcard if he hadn't made it).

4) In terms of the rest of the meet, the studs delivered. KIprop won the 1500 with Manangoi 2nd and Ronald Kwemoi 3rd (looks like Silas Kiplagat it out). In the women's 1500, Faith Kipyegon destroyed everyone. In the women's 800, he said he's been watching Eunice Sum workout lately and she's in awesome shape but she was no match for Magaret Wambui whom he said ran like Semenya - in the pack for a slow first lap (60?) before crushing everyone in 158. He said Vivian Cheruiyot looked amazing and that the Jerry Schumacher coached Betsy Saina grabbed the 2nd spot in the 10k (with African champ Alice Nawowuna given a wildcard). He personally enjoyed that race a great deal as he used Saina's phone to give Jerry live splits during the race.

5) He said the atmosphere was great and the stadium was totally packed today as the President showed up.

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Thanks for that rojo

According to this link,

http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Alfred-Kipketer-stuns-Rudisha-Rotich-as-trio-book-Rio-berths/-/1100/3276096/-/8k407a/-/index.html

Kamworor, Taniu, Karoki and Charles Yosei are listed in the 10 000m.

According to this news story Kamworor and Karoki were both selected as wild cards for the 10,000 m

jjjjjj wrote:

Rudisha third in the 800m, Ezekiel took third in the steeple behind Brimin Kipruto and Consenslus, all three within .3 seconds and fourth was five more seconds back (8:27 at altitude), but no Jairus Birech in the results.

https://twitter.com/athletics_kenya

Sorry guys, had to take a break after a long day/night depending on wherever you are. I am not surprised of Rudisha's third place, in fact like I said earlier, I would not have been surprised if he finished 5th or DNFd. Everyone wants a piece of his pie now more than ever before, seeing that he is most vulnerable than ever before. He is still the man to beat though if he can work on his last 200m and especially the last 100m. For Alfred Kipketer, I think that is a breakthrough for him. Remember when he went through 400m in 48 seconds enroute to World Youth title, and where he ran the last 400m in 60seconds? That was a BIG positive split. Compare that to 52 - 50 or maybe 53 - 50 he just ran. It appears he is rewriting the way 800m is supposed to run since this is probably the first time a negative split is done in a top championship in this event.

The race Rudisha would like to quickly forget! The look on look on his face is telling! It and it sure delivered more than he had even anyone including himself thought. Up to this point, Rudisha had been beaten by only one athlete in this field(Rotich) and he was weary of him since he has beaten him twice already this year. Then there were the two prodigies, Kitilit and Koech(Kipkoech) who arguably have been on the prowl and had no fear for anyone including Bosse of France. But Kipketer was not on his watchlist! What a shock! It took a hell of an effort for Rudisha not finish outside the top four!

On world stage, however, he is still the best Kenyan 800m due to his experience. He is very smart and always knows his opponents and tries to outbox them. Remember how he orchestrated Nijel Amos' exit in the semis in Beijing last year by slowing the pace? And also won the finals in a rather slow 1:45?

dj plus one wrote:

Reality Bath wrote:

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^This. So many big-name dopers are out.

27'46 is an incredible time at ~ 7'000' !!!

i put that into NCAA app

( download as an exe file 1/2 way down this page :

http://www.ustfccca.org/weekly-results/ncaa-championship-qualifying-criteria

)

put in laramie which is nearest altitude at 7,163'

give them higher altitude for uneven pace ->

26'13 !!!

my feeling this is for only aerobic metabolism handicap

i adjusted this with wind-altitude calculator :

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/

put in 100m speed of 16.66

( which is 27'46 pace ) with 0 wind & 2'150m altitude ( ~ 7,050 ) -> 16.769s

therefore a prelim estimate for sea-level time is

26'13 * ( 16.769 / 16.66 ) ->

26'23 !!!

weak Olympics wrote:

This is seriously going to be the weakest Olympics in a long time.

Unfortunately, that wont stop Farah from thinking he has accomplished some great feat if he wins gold again.

if it's any guide, the only major 10k ever run at this level of altitude was mexico-'68 won by temu in 29'27 & that was no jog as clarke finished 6th in 29'44 & clarke had run 27'39WR on a dirt track worth 27-low on synthetic

clarke had to be at worst in 28-flat shape that day & only ran 29'44, so that altitude even for a kenyan has to be between 1'00 - 1'30 handicap as ballpark as they may be more adapted to altitude running but not possible for 100% with same time at sea-level as 7,000' ( even tergat never broke 28 in nairobi which is a mere 5,450' )

American star wrote:

I don't think it is a big deal to her considering her diminutive stature. For taller athletes, yes it can hurt and cause 'structural' injuries.

Here are the results.

https://twitter.com/athletics_kenya

Her time is probably Kenyan soil record. I am surprised Viola Kibiwott is missing from the results. Must be a DNF.

Viola wasn't going to make it.

I had this very team making the team.

Obiri ran a very good 5k a few weeks back and actually, i thought she was going to win the kenyan trials.

Mercy is Mercy. She is good but hasn't been great in a while. She kind of stagnated as the Ethiopians went two notches higher.

This is the best team that Kenya has of anyone -except perhaps the men' s steeple (assuming Kiprop doesn't fall. Kemboi is back!)

calculo wrote:

vivian won in 31'36

applying above conversion of men's of ( 26'23 / 27'46 ) ->

30'01 !!!

in some hot weather !!!

that seems reasonable as she beat next best kenyan by nearly 30s & it woud be shocking if the 2nd best kenyan woman at trials coudn't at worst run 30'30 at sea-level

it's pretty good bet she will win gold no matter what ayana brings to 10k

Interesting! So what does her 15:01 5K time translate too? Is that about 14:30? Or faster?

Kenyans raised at altitude are impervious to altitude. Nothing to convert.

That is enough to scare Ayana! I think Vivian can just sit behind Ayana and outkick her at the end. She is talking of doubling in Rio but I think it is not a wise decision if she follows through. She should just focus on the 10000m which is already very competitive. But if Ayana is doubling and 10000m is run first, she(Ayana) will be less lethal in the 5000m and as we saw at the trials Vivian can come back from a fast 10000m race even if only 24 hours apart and be very competitive at the 5000m. Perhaps a silver or bronze in the 10000m and then gold in the 5000m.

Or one of the most interesting.

kikKomen Soi sauce wrote:

dj plus one wrote:

+1

^This. So many big-name dopers are out.

Yet Farah (the biggest of them all) remains.

Yeah they're gonna send Kam to Rio! For sure.

But the fact is, Tanui is a great, consistent runner. Good 5000 PR too, where is he, about 13:00-01? He beat Rupp in past two worlds, but Rupp smacked him good when he ran his 26:44 AR.

Bad Wiggins, remember that it's winterish in Brazil for August. Don't know what to expect, maybe something in the 70s? Hope they run the 10000 at night!

The 10,000 was slow because of heat. You yourself mention Keino who is proof enough that altitude is no hindrance.