NY Times: USADA seeking to depose Dr. Brown, hearing to be held July 11

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another retard wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Otherwise you would have to believe there was only one qualified endocrinologist in the U.S. and just accept the sudden outbreak of endocrinology crises in Track and Field as normal.

Well, do we assume James Andrews is the only orthopedic surgeon in the US just because he has treated a lot of athletes?

Another retard you are, indeed. You fail to understand that Brown will give out a TUE where other endocrinologist claim one is not merited. He is about making money by selling continuing treatment, not about proper diagnosis.

Same Rekrunner as on the Paula R thread?

Either way, the debaters for all this alleged clean sport that is happening make the best case for the fact that it is mostly a sham.

Hormone boosting for distance runners are just as performance enhancing as any banned substance. It allows anorexics to train like regular eaters and not crash and burn immediately. If any of us could do that, all our times would be a lot better. I am not saying it's healthy, I don't really know all the possible compounded effects , but it works as performance enhancement for at least a couple of years.

been around 'ya know wrote:

I don't know why people are still hyperventilating over the Androgel experiment. We already know this information. Salazar has publicly gone on record admitting to it and explained his actions with a fair amount of detail. If something was done illegally or in violation of the governing boards of athletics, action could have already been taken.

Did you see WADA President Craig Reedie's response last year to learning that "something was done illegally or in violation of the governing boards" in the Russian doping scandal? He wrote a hand-written, signed note to IAAF Vice President Segey Bubka saying: "Hope no more damage will be done."

It should be plainly apparent that WADA is not an enforcement agency but a cleverly-named advertising arm of IAAF. Their primary interest is in suppressing bad press, not doping.

Why was Salazar worried about Rupp being "contaminated" after a collegiate 4 x 1 mile relay? I didn't think there was doping control at too many, if any, college meets?

Add Carl Lewis to the list of Dr. Brown clients along with several other sprinters from that era.

The investigation consists of nothing more than harassment, especially being announced just prior to the trials.

The drug agencies are doing no good, and are tearing down the sport of athletics.

The USADA investing is creating heat for Salazar. He is primed for another mental meltdown at the trials.

Dope users are no good, and are tearing down the sport of athletics.

rekrunnner wrote:

Salazar has every reason to expect his male runners would be sabotaged--the people on this forum hate him and his athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if a LetsRun members did the sabotaging.

He doesn't need to worry about his female athletes because LetsRun doesn't hate his women in the same way. Except they hate Kara. If she hadn't defected to Oiselle he would have done the test on women as well.

He couldn't rely on USADA to do such a test, so he had to do it himself. He's quite the innovative genius. Always looking ahead and foreseeing possible problems. Always looking out for his athletes.

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Wouldn't you want to run the test by USADA and get approval for it since it's probably a) technically against the law and b) might be against USADA's rules?

Kwala Fied wrote:

another retard wrote:

Well, do we assume James Andrews is the only orthopedic surgeon in the US just because he has treated a lot of athletes?

Another retard you are, indeed. You fail to understand that Brown will give out a TUE where other endocrinologist claim one is not merited. He is about making money by selling continuing treatment, not about proper diagnosis.

NYT article says two separate endocrinologists treated Rupp. Pretty hard to believe two different pysicians would be willing to fabricate a diagnosis.

NYT article says two separate endocrinologists treated Rupp. Pretty hard to believe two different pysicians would be willing to fabricate a diagnosis.

Not sure if you've been paying attention but the painkiller epidemic that our country is going through now is enabled by thousands of those "pysicians" you're talking about.

Second opinion wrote:

Kwala Fied wrote:

Another retard you are, indeed. You fail to understand that Brown will give out a TUE where other endocrinologist claim one is not merited. He is about making money by selling continuing treatment, not about proper diagnosis.

NYT article says two separate endocrinologists treated Rupp. Pretty hard to believe two different pysicians would be willing to fabricate a diagnosis.

Well, there are a lot more than two endocrinologists in it for the money. I never claimed Brown had an exclusive. Brown does use a lower threshold than most to return a positive diagnosis. This is why he so popular with Olympic medalists.

Roelants wrote:

Yes, I read the article. I am not defending the test. I said it was the strangest or most suspect thing to come out of this. I only asked about the disclosure to USADA at the time. Here is how Salazar described it in his rebuttal (below). He says he called a hotline then ran the experiment. So as I read it he reported a concern but did not disclose the experiment at the time. It sounds like Brown might have legal / ethical issues but presumably there was informed consent fro Salazar's sons.

The fact that the section of the report is called "The Sabotage Test" makes the whole thing laughable.

"You can't help but laugh," Salazar said. "It's just preposterous on so many fronts. I guess anything's possible, but it just doesn't make sense. There's no way in the world."

That's Alberto in this 2006 ESPN Article. He's talking about the Gatlin sabotage claim.

They were testing androgel to see what kind of micro-dosing they could get away with before the test would come up positive. Alberto's kids are not athletes, so there's it might not be against the rules in and of itself. But I'm sure the good Doctor would rather not answer a bunch of questions about his intent with this experiment. The idea that Justin Gatlin's masseuse might jump out and rub testosterone cream all over Galen Rupp might fly on these boards, but he can't say that in a deposition.

Second opinion wrote:

NYT article says two separate endocrinologists treated Rupp. Pretty hard to believe two different pysicians would be willing to fabricate a diagnosis.

You think it's hard to believe that there is more than one unethical doctor in the world? Really?

Even Carl Lewis was a good « client » of Dr. Brown!

Brown is in the same league as Wohlfart, Conconi, Ferari, Rosa, Fuentes, etc.!

rojo wrote:

Wouldn't you want to run the test by USADA and get approval for it since it's probably a) technically against the law and b) might be against USADA's rules?

And have it examined.

Autologous Madness wrote:

http://www.evolutionary.org/jeffrey-s-brown-the-unconventional-physician-of-us-track-and-field/

Even Carl Lewis was a good « client » of Dr. Brown!

Brown is in the same league as Wohlfart, Conconi, Ferari, Rosa, Fuentes, etc.!

Dr Brown has other "admirers"; not super athletes:

--Apr 18th, 2012:

I thought that I might have had more going on than just my thyroid. They did the full check out and even examined my breasts... they wanted to examine my breasts. Not just pull up your bra and let me squeeze your nipples.

-- 1/5 stars, Jan 9th, 2014 : Save your time, money and tissues to wipe away your tears!

Under no circumstances would I refer anyone to Dr. Brown. ...

-- 1/5 stars, Sep 16th, 2014: stay away! money hungry

It's all about the money and not about patient care! How dare he call himself a doctor!

This review is hilarious. Not the name of the reviewer, a D Brown.

-- 5/5 stars, by D Brown on Jun 25th, 2016: Honest Review

I have been seeing Dr. Brown for over 5 years now, went through 7 doctors before I found him. ... My case is difficult, to say the least, and Dr. Brown got it figured out and got me on the correct dosage and medication. ...

I think you can boil much of this case down to whether you believe:

a) Salazar genuinely feared that one or more athletes in his camp were targets of sabotage by Androgel, and felt that it was important to determine whether it is indeed possible to be transdermally contaminated to the extent that an athlete can test positive for testosterone

b) Salazar wanted to see how much testosterone could be administered transdermally without triggering a positive test, in order to gain an advantage for one or more of his athletes