Details of the Aden raid: 23 pre-filled syringes of EPO found, police watched Aden put syringes in dumpster 3 times

Reader of articles wrote:

So your article says Jama did nothing wrong Rojo!!!!!

He can't help that the Saudi team's chiropractor has drugs for the Saudi guys

NO PEDs IN JAMA'S ROOM!

Do you know how to read?

rojo wrote:

According to the google translate (and my HS spanish lessons), it says in room 107, Aden's room, they found used syringes, illegal drugs, and receipts for drugs that had been purchased in France which were found in other athletes rooms.

They called them illegal drugs, which is a bit odd that they didn't specify the substance was but illegal = bad for Jama.

The actual words in Spanish were "medicamentos ilegales" which means illegal medicines.

rojo wrote:

The actual words in Spanish were "medicamentos ilegales" which means illegal medicines.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was really stuck on that for a long time.

Unbelievable Jeff wrote:

I guess you also are like most others on here and know next to nothing about any other cultures than your own. So you don't understand why several athletes would choose to stay in the same room. Or you wouldn't understand why someone wouldn't ask any questions if someone higher in the hierarchy told them to do something (run this, eat that, inject these)

these cultures are shit, you seem to defend that behaviour??

rojo wrote:

Reader of articles wrote:

So your article says Jama did nothing wrong Rojo!!!!!

He can't help that the Saudi team's chiropractor has drugs for the Saudi guys

NO PEDs IN JAMA'S ROOM!

Do you know how to read?

rojo wrote:

According to the google translate (and my HS spanish lessons), it says in room 107, Aden's room, they found used syringes, illegal drugs, and receipts for drugs that had been purchased in France which were found in other athletes rooms.

They called them illegal drugs, which is a bit odd that they didn't specify the substance was but illegal = bad for Jama.

The actual words in Spanish were "medicamentos ilegales" which means illegal medicines.

So you agree then. This is medicine which is not approved by the Spanish authorities (it could even be aspirin, a normal reason for this is that they have local pharmaceutical companies that produce similar medicaments)

NOTHING about PED's in Jama's room. Just this medication. The Saudi guys' chiropractor however....!

Unbelievable Jeff wrote:

I guess you also are like most others on here and know next to nothing about any other cultures than your own. So you don't understand why several athletes would choose to stay in the same room. Or you wouldn't understand why someone wouldn't ask any questions if someone higher in the hierarchy told them to do something (run this, eat that, inject these)

They're called the US military, public schools, work places, police stations and hospitals.

Actually I just tossed it in the trash, and am comparing this to the bogus raid that found nothing,

not your personal use of drugs, which you are obviously on and can't even spell property.

Good translation wrote:

I have a turkey baster syringe that I've never used

eight hundred breeders wrote:

Do we even need to talk about how you might consider using it?

Sure, for example to jam it down your throat.

I love room sharing wrote:

There's a reason AIDS started out in Africa.

Unbelievable Jeff wrote:

Where would you want them to stay if not in a hotel? Have you ever been to Sabadell to check out what opportunities there are? Do you know anything about the town at all?

I'm guessing no.

I guess you also are like most others on here and know next to nothing about any other cultures than your own. So you don't understand why several athletes would choose to stay in the same room. Or you wouldn't understand why someone wouldn't ask any questions if someone higher in the hierarchy told them to do something (run this, eat that, inject these)

To your first paragraph (first three questions) the answer is no, obviously not, which is why I was asking the question. Are you trying to make a point?

I don't understand the timeline. I'm surprised they didn't go with a cheaper/more permanent option, like an apartment sublet or airbnb. If they train there to be near the drugs, wouldn't they have to be there for an extended period of time? If not, what was the purpose of the visit in the first place?

Actually your last paragraph is mostly wrong, which is why I didn't ask questions about those things. But if you have something you'd be willing to share, please feel free, I'd be interested to read your perspective.

rojo wrote:

Do you know how to read?

Oh yes, and I'll be happy to teach you.

I love room sharing wrote:

elmosternburg wrote:

these cultures are shit, you seem to defend that behaviour??

There's a reason AIDS started out in Africa.

And the reason Europeans spread VD around the world. Decimating the native populations of North American, Central American, South American, the Pacific Islands, and more.

asfsdagds wrote:

If they train there to be near the drugs, wouldn't they have to be there for an extended period of time?

Probably. Is that what you do?

If not, what was the purpose of the visit in the first place?

Probably, to train for running events, which is what they were doing.

asfsdagds wrote:

If they train there to be near the drugs, wouldn't they have to be there for an extended period of time?

Probably. Is that what you do?

If not, what was the purpose of the visit in the first place?

Probably to train for running events, which is what they were doing.

asfsdagds wrote:

I don't understand the timeline. I'm surprised they didn't go with a cheaper/more permanent option, like an apartment sublet or airbnb. If they train there to be near the drugs, wouldn't they have to be there for an extended period of time? If not, what was the purpose of the visit in the first place?

I used to live in Barcelona for 12 years and I have been to Sabadell and will try to offer some ideas based on that.

First off the hotel point you and Rojo like so much I just don't understand: You want 30 athletes, some of them absolute world class level, to stay in Airbnb housing, scattered all over a rough area when they can stay at a nice hotel and all of them can have the same starting point for their runs and eat prepared food in the same place and their manager will know where they are. I am not on Airbnb but I am pretty sure if you look for Sabadell apartments you won't find much where you'd like to stay yourself for months at a time.

And yes they are there for an extended period of time. the articles on this case state over and over again that this is their main European summer hub and has been for the last few years aka this is where they are for the track season.

"Something cheaper" lol. Just because they're black doesn't mean they are poor. Why don't you also question why Galen Rupp has chosen to buy a nice house for himself and his family and stays in five star hotels when he is in Europe for diamond league meets?

Next point: Why choose barcelona for training?

(I know you have decided that it's to be "close to the drugs" but I think you can find drugs wherever you are. So in my opinion it's probably something else)

Some bullet point ideas:

It is a fairly short trip with direct flights to diamond league spots like Zurich, Paris, Rome, Monaco, London, Brussels, Stockholm

The weather is great

For those who need to spend some time at altitude it's a short trip to Font Romeu

Nice trails

Spain has a lot of nice meets where they can race

Something do with money, what with I don't know but there's always money involved with the top dogs

This thread needs some moderation and some ip checks.

Please Rojo wrote:

rojo wrote:

Do you know how to read?

They called them illegal drugs, which is a bit odd that they didn't specify the substance was but illegal = bad for Jama.

The actual words in Spanish were "medicamentos ilegales" which means illegal medicines.

So you agree then. This is medicine which is not approved by the Spanish authorities (it could even be aspirin, a normal reason for this is that they have local pharmaceutical companies that produce similar medicaments)

NOTHING about PED's in Jama's room. Just this medication. The Saudi guys' chiropractor however....!

They found the receipts for the drugs that were found in other rooms. They found EPO in other rooms. I'd say accepting receipts for EPO is pretty damning. Specially if the excuse is the other guy was secretly doping without his knowledge.

asdfasdf wrote:

Also what's Abdi's association with the group? Has he said anything since Aden's arrest? It pisses me off no one cares about the photos he's in with the group.

At the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials Abdi Abdirahman had a miraculous comeback to make the team, running one his fastest times ever. Not one, but two of Abdi's training partners tested positive for EPO during his buildup to that race.

In 2015, Abdi is training with Jama Aden's group with an athlete banned for an abnormal biological passport. A year later Jama Aden is caught with 23 syringes of EPO.

Abdi is a joke. I doubt there will ever be justice, but at least he's pretty much on his way out of the sport at this point.

Please Rojo wrote:

NOTHING about PED's in Jama's room. Just this medication. The Saudi guys' chiropractor however....!

I love these responses.

Maybe the chiro was scheming to inject the dope into a NOP runner in a super-secret, spy-riffic way thus proving SIMULTANEOUSLY those far-off foreigners who don't speak English have got an axe to grind with NOP, *and*, THE BEST PART, Salazar now sounds perfectly sane for rubbing exogenous Test on Teenagers.

Yes, it's the shady chiro with the PEDs, not the coach running the doping camp. Right. Okay.

The joke is on us wrote:

Seems if there was blood on the tips of the needles a relatively simple DNA test would expose the cheat

Reading all the articles including the latest, this whole thing seems to be like a well acted movie with lots of surprises and suspense. What we think we already know may well be completely off of what really transpired. The actors are ingenious!

Assuming Aden had known or suspected for sometime(weeks) that he was under surveillance and decided to throw investigators off by disposing off syringes didn't carry any trace to anyone and particularly his athletes. He could have destroyed the actual syringes used for EPO injections and carried his athletes' DNA evidence by burning them and then went around throwing the non-implicating syringes around. In his mind he knew that this would probably result in his arrest of which he knew he would win the case since after tests the whole thing will turn up no evidence except that he had syringes. While doing this, he probably hid all the EPO and other enhancing drugs safe in anticipation of a bust by the authorities. But it seems Spanish police cleverly did not raid him immediately. And when they did, Aden and his physiotherapist had the drugs back in their rooms!