SORRY NIKE....BRAZIER TO NEW BALANCE!!!!

Won't Pick wrote:

Why would he pick Nike with their onerous reduction clauses? He make more signing with someone else. Nike spikes ARE NOT a Performance Enhancers. Nike marketing claims they are, but they're just pointy pieces of metal made to look cute.

It sounds as if you are only thinking about the downside, that is, you are worrying about the reductions. Maybe a young athlete should not be thinking that way. Maybe they think that they're gonna be the next big thing. Maybe the contract with reductions also has the biggest bonus clauses.

Yes, yes, I understand some people's innate desire for security, to keep the checks coming even if they're running slow or injured. But that's negative thinking. Lindgren wouldn't think that way.

"Dare to be great!"

All things equal, why would you choose to have reductions?

Boris Brazier says no reductions. Go Boris.

Woody Allen Sighting wrote:

All things equal, why would you choose to have reductions?

You wouldn't . . . IF everything else was equal. But it is probably not in most cases.

Yes, Dellinger had the Ducks in Adidas because he got pissed at Bowerman for taking all the credit for Pre's success. They had an icy relationship for many years.

Woody Allen Sighting wrote:

All things equal, why would you choose to have reductions?

modern thinking wrote:

You wouldn't . . . IF everything else was equal. But it is probably not in most cases.

And now.... it will be.

Any athlete who would allow themselves to become entangled in Nike/Capriotti's Web is a fv king idiot. With New Balance the sponsor/athlete relationship is a partnership. With Nike that relationship is an adversarial servitude complete with shadow clauses that extend far past the contractual term.

Malmo you have to know it's not that simple.

Money talks.

New Balance - we'll give you $1.5 million guaranteed.

Nike - we'll give you $2 million guaranteed.

Athlete - I love Nike!

Nike can do guaranteed contracts or contracts with way less draconian reductions and they'll do it in this case.

The lawsuit and negative publicity surrounding Berian may make Nike lose out in cases where the contracts are fairly equal financially.

In the past, athletes might have signed with Nike in cases where they had similar offers from 2 companies. Intangibles probably went Nike's way especially since most high schoolers and college athletes race in Nike's.

And if Brazier signs with NB what about Berian? New Balance sponsors very few US men so they might have been looking for an opportunity and this could be it if they got both.

I'm going to say it plays out as follows:

New Balance signs both Berian AND Brazier. Not only that, but Brazier is going to join Big Bear TC.

Get it.

wejo wrote:

Malmo you have to know it's not that simple.

Money talks.

New Balance - we'll give you $1.5 million guaranteed.

Nike - we'll give you $2 million guaranteed.

Athlete - I love Nike!

Nike can do guaranteed contracts or contracts with way less draconian reductions and they'll do it in this case.

The lawsuit and negative publicity surrounding Berian may make Nike lose out in cases where the contracts are fairly equal financially.

In the past, athletes might have signed with Nike in cases where they had similar offers from 2 companies. Intangibles probably went Nike's way especially since most high schoolers and college athletes race in Nike's.

And if Brazier signs with NB what about Berian? New Balance sponsors very few US men so they might have been looking for an opportunity and this could be it if they got both.

excellent point NB can only stretch the dollar so far...after transparent litigation Nike is on the PR campaign

That's not why Oregon was in Adidas. Dellinger drew up this gimmicky shoe technology for midsole protection called the Dellinger Web. He took it to Nike first and they declined it. He took it to Adidas and they bought it. He was under contract to Adidas and was making nice royalties on his gimmick. Hence , the reason why Oregon was in Adidas.

I agree with Malmo. Nike's reputation is taking a beating on numerous fronts. It could get a lot worse. Working for a struggling company, even a struggling massive international conglomerate, is no fun. Much better to work for a smaller company on the rise.

And then there's the reputational risk of being involved with a compnay in the middle of various doping scandals. And finally, there's the financial risk of working for a company that appears to treat its athletes only marginally better than the children who used to make its products.

Lets see how well I do... wrote:

I'm going to say it plays out as follows:

New Balance signs both Berian AND Brazier. Not only that, but Brazier is going to join Big Bear TC.

Get it.

I like the New Balance bit especially considering that Boris could come across as a sort of role model to Brazier (the guy that beat the Nike machine and is still fast) but not sure about the Big Bear TC bit... would he risk leaving the coaching staff that got him to 1:43? Do we even know if he'll be allowed to continue making use of A&M coaches and facilities after this decision to go pro?

wejo wrote:

Malmo you have to know it's not that simple.

Money talks.

New Balance - we'll give you $1.5 million guaranteed.

Nike - we'll give you $2 million guaranteed.

Athlete - I love Nike!

Nike can do guaranteed contracts or contracts with way less draconian reductions and they'll do it in this case.

The lawsuit and negative publicity surrounding Berian may make Nike lose out in cases where the contracts are fairly equal financially.

In the past, athletes might have signed with Nike in cases where they had similar offers from 2 companies. Intangibles probably went Nike's way especially since most high schoolers and college athletes race in Nike's.

And if Brazier signs with NB what about Berian? New Balance sponsors very few US men so they might have been looking for an opportunity and this could be it if they got both.

And wejo. You know the difference between fantasy and reality don't you?

Malmo. You and the other anti-Nike idiots need to stop with the slavery references. Seriously, it's offensive. These are grown adults entering contracts if their own free will. They might have some term that extend past the contract. (Newsflash - most contracts do). It's not onorous or immoral or unethical

Im sure all the shoe contracts have termination clauses or other clauses.

You should either know better or shut up about it.

Must be tough wrote:

You and the other anti-Nike idiots need to stop with the slavery references.

Thanks for the advice, Uncle Tom.

malmo wrote:

blah, blah, blah, ranting, blah, blah

there is no such thing as a "shadow clause"; there are agents and athletes who fail to completely read a contract. These people are in for a rude awakening when they get to this real world and find out there are no guarantees anywhere.

The reality is Nike is a better position to pay more upfront. That's the reason Boris chose Nike initially. I'm happy that Nike has made a huge financial commitment to Track. I would've liked USATF to bid the sponsorship but is not Nike's fault. Only a child thinks that... are you a child? (BTW- NB is a great company who has a major b0ner for baseball players first. I would be suspect of the how into running they really are)

And outside of a few bitter has beens who have been (wisely) but by Nike (goucher, symmonds) - Athletes don't really care about other deals. As long as Nike or anyone else will pay them, they are happy.

Gnike do it wrote:

there is no such thing as a "shadow clause"; there are agents and athletes who fail to completely read a contract.

Here is how it works, since you are too stupid to understand.

- BB signed a short-term contract with a RoFR, and minimal reduction clauses.

- Nike agreed to match and then submitted a long-term contract with a dozen significant reduction clauses.

This is called bait-and-switch.

Stop talking about Boris Berian on here, he literally has nothing to do with this thread. Also Brazier never actually signed with a shoe company yet...haha this is classic letsrun; people making things up to get thread publicity. I think it'd be cool if he signed with New Balance, but he hasn't signed with anyone yet.