I wish Flanagan was running the trials 10000 or better yet the 10000 in Hengelo on Wednesday with Defar, Ayana and others, she would run a blazing time, probably break her own 10000 on a track record, she may even be in shape to run under 14:40 on the track, which would break Huddle's 14:42 American Record.
I wear Skechers wrote:
Meanwhile, Biwott tears up a half, and he's the Gold medal winner (will be).
And Rupp has lost his speed, and will hurt his marathon chances with his fifth in the 10.
So which is it? Is running well at ANY point prior to the Olympic games ideal?
Doesn't matter to the LR crowd. If they don't run well prior to the Games but race well at the Olympics they'll be called dirty, if they do poorly- they are lazy/they suck.
In the world of LR there are no winners.
Change of plans wrote:
Shalane is my favorite runner but she races the marathon like a wuss.
She is always aggressive for every distance but is way too tentative in the marathon. I hope she races Rio like a baller instead of sitting in a pack for 20 miles.
Interesting analysis. Was her 2014 Boston race wussy when she went out and pushed the pace for 20 miles to try and break everyone? How'd that end up? Her best finish in a major/olympic marathon was NY in 2010, where it was a jog fest until the last 10k.
I hope she's using the low-flow toilet for those bombs. Who we are and all.
Well, a road time requires an addition of .01% in distance to correctly certify. About 100 meters for a 10K. Then you factor in a rubberized surface which has an infinitesimal amount of spring. Compare world records. the difference is reasonably significant.
Good Point. I believe that she ran great in 2014. She lost to Jeptoo and crew. We have since learned that was not for real. She also beat Desi that day.
She made the silly decision to sit back in 2015 and allowed Desi to be the aggressor. How did that work out for her?
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG.
30:52 AR at 34 years old in the midst of a marathon training week after the most dangerous race of her career.
Yup, move along.
different perspective wrote:
I think Shalane has earned the trust that she knows what she's doing at this point. What I see the 30:51 as is that she could have dropped sub 30:30 if she had peaked specifically for this race. Shalane is a beast and as long as she's still healthy in August and the weather is a bit better than it was in LA, she's a legit medal contender.
I agree!
I am not sure how anyone can say PRing in a road 10K is a bad thing over a month out from a race. Perhaps people should look at what most Olympic WMM winners did a month before their race. What would people say if she sucked in that 10K. You have to respect the fact that Shalane has been in this game long enough to have figured some things out.
douglas burke wrote:
I wish Flanagan was running the trials 10000 or better yet the 10000 in Hengelo on Wednesday with Defar, Ayana and others, she would run a blazing time, probably break her own 10000 on a track record, she may even be in shape to run under 14:40 on the track, which would break Huddle's 14:42 American Record.
It took three pages of posts, but someone finally almost got it. Shalane is one of the best examples of one of the biggest things wrong with our sport. That of course being the financial incentive and pressure to "move up" to the marathon. And conversely, the disincentive to stay on the track. The track 10,000 is her event. It was, and still should be. She could be a monster at 25 laps by now. It doesn't take a genius to look at her career, how she runs, her skill set, and her progression to figure it out. Of course she could and would be a medal contender in Rio. On the track. For 25 laps. And not just a medal. Quite possibly the yellow one.
Respect diminished wrote:
Ray wrote:"Peaking too early" or "Too fast too early" are both myths.
Ray,
I have respected you for two decades and appreciated your work with WLDR back in the day. This is the first time that you have ever said something that I see as 100% wrong. I was ready too early for my marathon in both the 2000 and 2004 trials. It was because I was too aggressive with speed work when I should have been doing strength work. All of my best marathons were when I was in training mode from 12 weeks out right up to the final 2 week taper. I understand that I am a study of one but I had a wonderful legendary coach that would agree that too fit too early is not a recipe for success in the marathon.
Sorry to have lost your respect. I didn't make myself clear. We are esentially on the same page. If you are on a well planned schedule, suited to the athlete, you can't be running too fast too early IN A RACE. I am reminded of a top middle distance coach who once told me she had to back off her 800 runner because she was racing too fast early in the season. If she was in the strength phase of her training, as the coach said she was, then I would keep doing what I was doing and really look forward to the times she throws down when she completes her training and tapers for the big races. To say her 800's were too fast made no sense to me.
Yes, I can see aggressive speedwork early can cause a problem. I agree 100%.
pay me now wrote:
Well, a road time requires an addition of .01% in distance to correctly certify. About 100 meters for a 10K. Then you factor in a rubberized surface which has an infinitesimal amount of spring. Compare world records. the difference is reasonably significant.
Nice math, but .01% if 10000 is 1 not 100.